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Old 08-13-2017, 04:10 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Apparently Twitter users are identifying the men in the photos and have gotten at least one of them fired from Top Dog in Berkeley.

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I only count two sides. Nazis and not Nazis. But apparently Drumpf can't choose which of those sides he's on.
He just does not realize everyone can read between the lines as to what is going on and that by saying what he did he was supporting the 'heil Trump' bunch. Well, the people who have drunk his yellow kool-aid are the exceptions to the rule but I suspect even the smarter ones there can see he worded things not to piss off his base.
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I don't know I know a guy who was down there video'ing yesterday and some of the counter protesters were pretty awful - running around with hammer and sickle flags and stuff. My mom always said not to provoke crazy people. White supremacists are crazy and shit like that constitutes provoking.
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Always remember, that one of the best ways to turn a peaceful protest/counter protest violent is to slip in some folks who are only there to start shit, and aren't actually part of the protest.
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I don't know I know a guy who was down there video'ing yesterday and some of the counter protesters were pretty awful - running around with hammer and sickle flags and stuff. My mom always said not to provoke crazy people. White supremacists are crazy and shit like that constitutes provoking.
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I don't know I know a guy who was down there video'ing yesterday and some of the counter protesters were pretty awful - running around with hammer and sickle flags and stuff. My mom always said not to provoke crazy people. White supremacists are crazy and shit like that constitutes provoking.
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Always remember, that one of the best ways to turn a peaceful protest/counter protest violent is to slip in some folks who are only there to start shit, and aren't actually part of the protest.
Exactly. No matter how peaceful the protest/counter it is a known fact among the people there that the news cameras will not cover how peaceful things were but spend all day on the smallest incidence of violence. Yes, you do have the minority who are burn-it-all-down-anarchists but most people are just there to make a point. For example, during occupy, the news cameras never covered the people putting their bodies in front of shop windows but the few stones that were thrown (whether they were anarchists or instigators does not really matter, the same result happened).
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Exactly. No matter how peaceful the protest/counter it is a known fact among the people there that the news cameras will not cover how peaceful things were but spend all day on the smallest incidence of violence.

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Despite being stuck with McConnell and Paul as my Senators, my mayor, Jim Gray, is a total class act. (As is Louisville mayor Greg Fischer, democrats both.)

I really can't think of much to say this morning as I watch what has happened. I don't know if anyone has ever been to Charlottesville, but it is a beautiful town. I visited there several years ago to see U2 perform. It was an amazing fall night and there was so much love and positivity every where you went. Everyone who travelled to the show remarked about how nice the people where there.

Now to see all this ugliness and hatred from the white supremacist, and out of control violence on both sides, my heart breaks that this shit is happening in 2017. A lot had to have gone wrong to allow this situation, which the city tried to stop, from taking place and getting out of hand as it did . That has to be looked at. I have seen footage of a lot of hate, rage and violence on both sides and hate is never going to defeat hate. My heart has sunk and I feel bad for our country today.
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Despite being stuck with McConnell and Paul as my Senators, my mayor, Jim Gray, is a total class act. (As is Louisville mayor Greg Fischer, democrats both.)

I really can't think of much to say this morning as I watch what has happened. I don't know if anyone has ever been to Charlottesville, but it is a beautiful town. I visited there several years ago to see U2 perform. It was an amazing Fall night and there was so much love and positivity every where you went. Everyone who travelled to the show remarked about how nice the people were there and Ii wish it was Fall again

Now to see all this ugliness and hatred from the white supremacist, and out of control violence on both sides, my heart breaks that this shit is happening in 2017. A lot had to have gone wrong to allow this situation, which the city tried to stop, from taking place and getting out of hand as it did . That has to be looked at. I have seen footage of a lot of hate, rage and violence on both sides and hate is never going to defeat hate. My heart has sunk and I feel bad for our country today.

While I can appreciate the argument that some counter protesters were violent, perhaps even initiated violence in some cases, and that violence is not the solution to this, I fear you lost me at "hate on both sides".

I'm not only comfortable with hating acts of racism, hating the KKK and neo nazi groups, I actually expect it. If we can't call this out as unacceptable, if we can't hate groups that spread the poison that is racism, bigotry, xenophobia, sexism and homophobia, what does that say about us? I wouldn't personally feel that I took the moral high road if I met these groups with silent acceptance just to tell myself I was the bigger person for not stooping to the level of hate. Quite the opposite.

Perhaps my moral compass is faulty, but I believe there are some things it's ok to hate.
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