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Old 06-14-2017, 08:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice

Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say

Trump will not be happy about this. It remains to be seen if he will fire Rosenstein and Mueller.
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If this is true (and it seems to be), it also means that Dep AG Rosenstein must recuse himself from overseeing Mueller's investigation. That would pass the oversight down to the #3 person in the DOJ - Rachel Brand, "Associate Attorney General".
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If this is true (and it seems to be), it also means that Dep AG Rosenstein must recuse himself from overseeing Mueller's investigation. That would pass the oversight down to the #3 person in the DOJ - Rachel Brand, "Associate Attorney General".
Why do you say that? Rosenstein was quite emphatic he wouldn't fire Mueller unless there was evidence of wrongdoing of which he saw none. As far as I know, the only thing he 'oversees' is the ability to fire Mueller, not to look over his shoulder.
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Why do you say that? Rosenstein was quite emphatic he wouldn't fire Mueller unless there was evidence of wrongdoing of which he saw none.
You don't really believe that, do you? I don't, not for a second. I think, if Trump called him and said "write me a report explaining why Mueller should be fired", the way Trump did with Comey, Rosenstein would do the exact same thing - comply.
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You don't really believe that, do you? I don't, not for a second. I think, if Trump called him and said "write me a report explaining why Mueller should be fired", the way Trump did with Comey, Rosenstein would do the exact same thing - comply.

Maybe I'm gullible but I think Rosenstein wouldn't do it. Keep in mind he was the person who appointed Mueller in the first place.
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Why do you say that? Rosenstein was quite emphatic he wouldn't fire Mueller unless there was evidence of wrongdoing of which he saw none. As far as I know, the only thing he 'oversees' is the ability to fire Mueller, not to look over his shoulder.
Doesn't matter. This is no longer about firing Mueller. It's about who was part of the hypothetical obstruction of justice (firing Comey) for which Mueller was brought on. Rosenstein wrote the letter to Trump recommending the firing of Comey and that makes him a subject of the investigation.

Once he's identified as a subject, he must recuse himself from any further oversight, and hand the reins over to Rachel Brand. It's that simple.
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Doesn't matter. This is no longer about firing Mueller. It's about who was part of the hypothetical obstruction of justice (firing Comey) for which Mueller was brought on. Rosenstein wrote the letter to Trump recommending the firing of Comey and that makes him a subject of the investigation.

Once he's identified as a subject, he must recuse himself from any further oversight, and hand the reins over to Rachel Brand. It's that simple.
What would the law be then regarding Mueller? Rachel Brand would be the only one with authority to fire him? Or he would be out the door along with Rosenstein's recusal?
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Here's an article I found talking about some of the implications of asking Rosenstein to recuse himself, among other things.

Democrats don't want Rosenstein's recusal, for now - POLITICO
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What would the law be then regarding Mueller? Rachel Brand would be the only one with authority to fire him? Or he would be out the door along with Rosenstein's recusal?
Mueller wouldn't be out the door without explicit termination from the DOJ. But that would also be political suicide for Trump and minions, so I think it's a moot point.
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Here's an article I found talking about some of the implications of asking Rosenstein to recuse himself, among other things.

Democrats don't want Rosenstein's recusal, for now - POLITICO
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Yet Rosenstein’s role raises questions about potential conflicts of interest, experts say, particularly if Mueller widens the scope of his investigation to include whether the firing of Comey was part of an obstruction-of-justice effort and the deputy attorney general is brought in as a witness.

Rosenstein drafted the memo that laid out the rationale for firing the FBI director, although Trump has since indicated that Comey’s role in investigating potential ties between Trump associates and Russian officials also played a part
This whole thing is starting to move very fast. If Rosenstein is named as a person of interest in the investigation, I don't see how there's any choice BUT for him to recuse himself and let Brand take over.
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Mueller wouldn't be out the door without explicit termination from the DOJ. But that would also be political suicide for Trump and minions, so I think it's a moot point.
Could be but Trump isn't always rational and doesn't always act in his own self interest. He is just floating in his rage and anger.
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And right on cue, the Republican talking points unveiled:

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Not forgetting the aspect of money laundering also mentioned:

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(When did USA Today get investigative? Cool!)
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This seems an appropriate place to paste this little gem. It was a 'headline' in a list of current news stories on the home page of the crappy ISP/email service I still use for my main. Actually not the ISP anymore, but I keep the email account because it is my full, quite common, name (as in, almost every town I've lived in had someone else already in it with my name). No numbers, no characters. Gives me a little "in on the ground floor" cred, not that anyone ever appreciates it. There's even someone in the Cooperstown Hall of Fame with my same exact name, middle name and all! Let me tell you it was a shock to be casually walking through the Hall reading the plaques and see that one. I'd never heard of the guy (so no, it wasn't the Babe or Lou Gehrig or Tinker or Evans or Chance).

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Could be but Trump isn't always rational and doesn't always act in his own self interest. He is just floating in his rage and anger.
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Why do you say that? Rosenstein was quite emphatic he wouldn't fire Mueller unless there was evidence of wrongdoing.
But it appears that there is evidence of wrongdoing (by Trump) so that's no longer stopping him...
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Could be but Trump isn't always rational and doesn't always act in his own self interest. He is just floating in his rage and anger.
That much is clear.

Trump thought that being President would include unrivalled, dictatorial powers. Now that he's running (head-first I might add) into checks and balances, it pisses him off. He's such an ignoramus he thinks that whining about it will rally people to his side.

*IF* he's found to have obstructed justice, it won't matter which party Congressional members belong to. If there's no prosecution at that point, the mid-terms are coming soon. And without demonstrating their devotion to country over party, a lot of those Congresspeople are liable to have their tickets canceled. We are about to see the Democratic system tested to its limits. I don't think Donald has any idea what he's up against.
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