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Old 06-13-2017, 11:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Fears Of People Trapped As London Apartment Complex Is Consumed By Flames

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Flames devoured a 24-story apartment building in west London early Wednesday morning as firefighters rushed to contain the inferno, according to witnesses.

Videos posted on social media show Grenfell Tower, in the borough of Kensington and Chelsea, ablaze as firefighters spray it with hoses. Witnesses have said some people were seen falling from the structure, but there are no official reports of any fatalities. The city’s Metropolitan Police have confirmed “a number of people being treated for a range of injuries.”

The Guardian noted that some people on the scene feared that people were trapped in the complex, which contains 120 units. A video recorded at the scene appears to include audio of people screaming for help from apartments inside the tower.
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Hearing some horrific reports on a bbc interview that I hope are not true of people throwing their children out of the windows - presumably on the belief that death by falling is preferable to burning to death. Saying that the ground around the building is covered in bodies.
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Old 06-14-2017, 01:14 AM   #6 (permalink)
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It is a truly terrifying thought but the Grenfell Action Group firmly believe that only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord, the KCTMO, and bring an end to the dangerous living conditions and neglect of health and safety legislation that they inflict upon their tenants and leaseholders. We believe that the KCTMO are an evil, unprincipled, mini-mafia who have no business to be charged with the responsibility of looking after the every day management of large scale social housing estates and that their sordid collusion with the RBKC Council is a recipe for a future major disaster.

Unfortunately, the Grenfell Action Group have reached the conclusion that only an incident that results in serious loss of life of KCTMO residents will allow the external scrutiny to occur that will shine a light on the practices that characterise the malign governance of this non-functioning organisation. We believe that the KCTMO have ensured their ongoing survival by the use of proxy votes at their Annual General Meeting that see them returned with a mandate of 98% in favour of the continuation of their inept and highly dangerous management of our homes. It is no coincidence that the 98% is the same figure that is returned by the infamous Kim Jong-un of North Korea who claims mass popularity while reputedly enslaving the general population and starving the majority of his people to death.

It is our conviction that a serious fire in a tower block or similar high density residential property is the most likely reason that those who wield power at the KCTMO will be found out and brought to justice! The Grenfell Action Group believe that the KCTMO narrowly averted a major fire disaster at Grenfell Tower in 2013 when residents experienced a period of terrifying power surges that were subsequently found to have been caused by faulty wiring. We believe that our attempts to highlight the seriousness of this event were covered up by the KCTMO with the help of the RBKC Scrutiny Committee who refused to investigate the legitimate concerns of tenants and leaseholders.

We have blogged many times on the subject of fire safety at Grenfell Tower and we believe that these investigations will become part of damning evidence of the poor safety record of the KCTMO should a fire affect any other of their properties and cause the loss of life that we are predicting:
https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...ing-with-fire/
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Man. This warning is so prescient it almost sounds suspicious in retrospect.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:02 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Of course, there's been plenty of premature claims that the building was "firebombed by Muslims" on social media. The sickest part of that behavior is that the people who say these things actually WANT it to be true. Then they can point their crooked fingers and say, "See? I told ya so!" They don't care about the injured or the loss of life -- they care about finding justification for their xenophobia.
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I couldn't watch the live stream for more than a minute. The fact that that building is the tomb for families who had no time to escape is just .. heartbreaking.
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The building refused to meet safety standards in an inspection in 2014. Substandard wiring.

The way the fire spread so rapidly certainly suggests an electrical fire.

The building had been plagued with power spikes causing appliances to short, another indicator of bad wiring.

Landlords and contractors need to do jail time for this.
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The building refused to meet safety standards in an inspection in 2014. Substandard wiring.

The way the fire spread so rapidly certainly suggests an electrical fire.

The building had been plagued with power spikes causing appliances to short, another indicator of bad wiring.

Landlords and contractors need to do jail time for this.
Let us hope. If this had happened in the US, I doubt they'd face criminal charges. Possibly civil charges, but I'm very doubtful about criminal. Because you know, we can't introduce a chilling effect on capitalism!
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:22 AM   #12 (permalink)
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It seems that almost every day there is something new and horrific lately.

This is so tragic. Especially when it sounds like it could have been avoided.
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The building refused to meet safety standards in an inspection in 2014.
Horrible situation for the people living in the building , I can't imagine waking up in the early morning and having to scramble for my life or trying to help others.

On the "safety standards" was the sprinkler system part of it. Can't imagine how the fire was able to spread through the entire building as it did if the sprinklers were even partly operational.
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There wasn't even an alarm system. I doubt there were sprinklers.

It looks like one of the contributors to the fire was the newly installed cladding on the outside of the building. Witnesses are saying that fire spread from the outside.

It also seems that the fire instructions told residents to stay in their apartments and wait for help because apartment doors were supposed to be fire resistant.
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https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showt...hp?p=140635952

Far more info on the construction/refurbishment.
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The building refused to meet safety standards in an inspection in 2014. Substandard wiring.

The way the fire spread so rapidly certainly suggests an electrical fire.

The building had been plagued with power spikes causing appliances to short, another indicator of bad wiring.

Landlords and contractors need to do jail time for this.
Yes, typically when you have a fire in an apartment building only a few units that are next to each other are affected. If it is the whole building it is the whole building, not what appears to be fire(s) all over but not all of the exterior. An after-incident inspection would say for sure but some building system is involved and I doubt it was the carpeting.
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I saw some of the footage last night. Horrific.

A fire so hot and so huge and happening when everyone was still asleep...I can't listen to the news today.
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This is almost like the Ghost Ship: Substandard housing that violated every fire code in the history of ever. It's much worse...because families were caught in the upper floors. I shouldn't have looked.
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It's dreadful. Everyone must've been asleep. The firefighters were on site within minutes, and still the building torched up like a pine forest. The next few hours/days are going to be horrendous for the firefighters having to search the building, and families of the missing.
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Theresa May's chief of staff 'sat on' report warning high-rise blocks like Grenfell Tower were vulnerable to fire - Mirror Online

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Theresa May’s new chief of staff was one of a series of housing ministers who “sat on” a report warning high-rise blocks like Grenfell Tower were vulnerable to fire for four years.

A former Chief Fire Officer and secretary of a parliamentary group on fire safety today revealed successive ministers had had damning evidence on their desks since 2013 and nothing had happened.
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A coroner’s investigation into the blaze at Lakanal House in South London in 2009, which claimed six lives, found panels on the exterior of the block had not provided the required fire resistance and insufficient fire risk assessments had been made.

The coroner made a series of recommendation following the tragedy, but while some have been taken up, a full review of building regulations has yet to take place.
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Ronnie King, honorary administrative secretary of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Fire Safety and Rescue and a former Chief Fire Officer, told LBC Radio this morning they had “strongly recommended” installing fire suppression systems and sprinklers in 4,000 similar tower blocks across the country.

He said: “We were strongly recommending this because the fire at Lakanal House spread within four minutes and came into the flat above and then went on to kill six people, regrettably.”

Mr King said it was likely similar failings existed in West London’s Grenfell House, which erupted in flames in the early hours of this morning.
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Man. This warning is so prescient it almost sounds suspicious in retrospect.
Not at all. It was an accurate assessment based on (obviously) valid concerns. The warning was posted in November of last year, and cited many failures by KCTMO, despite being cited for fire safety violations, that were never corrected. This was a tragedy waiting to happen.

There are many people that need to go to jail.

The whole thing is tragically horrendous.
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I heard about it on the radio this morning. I haven't seen any footage yet, i don't think it's something i can really look at after hearing all the reports.

There have been a number of changes to tower blocks like these in the UK recently, especially in London. In the area i live i've seen 12 of these blocks demolished in the past 10-15 yrs to make way for more modern housing.

It does seem that only updating the building regulations on these types of buildings isn't enough. They are an accident waiting to happen on many counts, not just fire safety.
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Of course, there's been plenty of premature claims that the building was "firebombed by Muslims" on social media. The sickest part of that behavior is that the people who say these things actually WANT it to be true. Then they can point their crooked fingers and say, "See? I told ya so!" They don't care about the injured or the loss of life -- they care about finding justification for their xenophobia.
From what I read, a whole lot of people in those apartments are Muslims, and a lot of them were up late because of Ramadan (the late-night meal). So yeah, no.
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