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Old 06-08-2017, 11:55 PM   #51 (permalink)
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And we are now formally at the point of a hung parliament. =
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I don't know enough about UK politics to speak intelligently on why this result happened or what the implications are.

But, privately, I choose to believe it was May vowing to make fox hunting legal again that led to this revolt.
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Old 06-09-2017, 12:19 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Not an expert in British law, but could Corbyn become PM if Labour, Scottish Nationals and Lib Dems all join forces? Or does it always have to go to the party that has the most MPs?

Regardless, May is almost certainly out, and Labour will have a seat in the Brexit discussions.
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Old 06-09-2017, 12:19 AM   #55 (permalink)
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There were times it felt to me like May was actively trying to throw the election. Fox hunting, ivory trading, asset stripping dementia sufferers. I wondered if she had looked at the secret reports on the consequences of brexit and said 'fuck that, let Labour take the blame'
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Not an expert in British law, but could Corbyn become PM if Labour, Scottish Nationals and Lib Dems all join forces? Or does it always have to go to the party that has the most MPs?

Regardless, May is almost certainly out, and Labour will have a seat in the Brexit discussions.
Without a majority for one party, any party could form a government if it can forge a working coalition such that the coalition has a majority of seats.
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Old 06-09-2017, 12:45 AM   #57 (permalink)
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General Election 2017: Theresa May to make statement at 10am today - Birmingham Mail

which is 5 am edt.
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I misread that as Teresa May lost her seat to a satire candidate.

Wouldn't that have just been the cat's meow?
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I don't know enough about UK politics to speak intelligently on why this result happened or what the implications are.
But, privately, I choose to believe it was May vowing to make fox hunting legal again that led to this revolt.
I doubt that had any effect whatsoever - very few really care either way, it's just that those who do care are very vocal about it. I suspect it has more to do with Benefits/NHS/Pensions.
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So what's this Democratic Unionist Party from Northern Ireland that May might have to form a coalition with? They seem to be a bunch of fucksticks?
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Old 06-09-2017, 04:14 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I doubt that had any effect whatsoever - very few really care either way, it's just that those who do care are very vocal about it. I suspect it has more to do with Benefits/NHS/Pensions.
I think, too, that Labour's promise to scrap university tuition fees , including those of many students already at university, helped Labour a great deal, particularly in university towns since many students are registered to vote where they study rather than at their parents' address. Traditionally, the youngest voters, 18--25, have been the least likely to vote, and Corbyn gave them a very good reason to turn out and vote Labour.

As to Conservative policies, I think their shambolic proposals on social care, aka "the dementia tax", (on which they quickly retreated, though not before the damage was done) probably did them far more damage than did fox hunting.

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As a self-confessed 'old fart' I think the most heartening thing about this whole kerfuffle is that the young are getting involved - from Theresa May, the Icarus of the Home Counties, cannot hope to save herself with yet more sloganeering | The Independent
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So what's this Democratic Unionist Party from Northern Ireland that May might have to form a coalition with? They seem to be a bunch of fucksticks?
A not unreasonable description...

Just spotted this tweet (not sure how to properly quote Twitter, so I'll just paste in here)
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Heard somewhere, over 200 female MPs elected, high turnout, especially among younger voters. That's a positive right there.
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There are some positives here, that's for sure:

We've gone from "Tory landslide, 100 seat majority" to no majority.

UKIP leader is resigning right as I type.

Young people came out and voted, turned the tide in university towns (including half of my home town)

There are signs that Remainers turned the tide in some heavy remain voting areas.

Influence of Sun and Daily Mail appear to be diminished. Also Murdoch was (reportedly) very pissed off so that's a nice result in itself.

The form that Brexit takes may now be far softer than May's planned flounce and finger flip.
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I've been really trying to follow this but my brain isn't wrapping around tories, labour, etc.

So...Tori/May is the US President Trump?

Labour is the US/Obama with a mix of Bernie?

And who actually won or is that not figured out yet?

never mind, found this: https://t.co/MEvz05wOfm

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The form that Brexit takes may now be far softer than May's planned flounce and finger flip.
Is it possible to reverse it at this point?
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Is it possible to reverse it at this point?
Who knows? Some people think we can unilaterally pull out of pulling out, others say we can't.
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So how long does it usually take to put together a coalition government?

I like this. May did a power play and she lost. It now looks like her best chances are if she can put a coalition together to get that beyond 50% and even then her party will not hold the majority it had before dissolution.
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I've been really trying to follow this but my brain isn't wrapping around tories, labour, etc.

So...Tori/May is the US President Trump?

Labour is the US/Obama with a mix of Bernie?

And who actually won or is that not figured out yet?
Tory = GOP and Labour = Dems is kinda close enough.

Kinda...

But there are more than two parties in the UK who actually win seats in parliament, so: SNP, LibDem, Green, Plaid Cymru, DUP, Sinn Fein (did I miss any?) all have seats as well as Labour and Tory.

So the tories have the most seats but don't have enough to make a majority but neither do labour. So to get a majority they need a deal with one of the smaller parties. Most of the other parties see any kind of coalition as poison and even more so a coalition with the tories.

Except the DUP. But the DUP is a northern irish party and will be very concerned over the impact of brexit on the existing peace deal (the one that ended IRA terrorism in the UK)

It remains entirely possible that a brexit deal that puts a hard border between NI and Eire, could result in a return to the violence of "the troubles"
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Labour is the US/Obama with a mix of Bernie?
Someone (I forget who) was on the daily show and explained Corbyn was the Brittish Bernie. When asked about chances of winning they said the same thing.

Now his coalition's odds are a bit better though.

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