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Old 04-20-2017, 03:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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French Presidential Elections

Any Europeans and others following? I think there may only be two or three of you who will actually be able to vote this Sunday (in the 1st round), but it's such a tight and nutty race, many outside are also following closely...

For anyone interested but not as familiar, 1st link is a brief description of the four leading candidates, and the 2nd is a general what's what.

Who's Who In The French Presidential Election : Parallels : NPR

What you need to know about the French election - The Washington Post


Personally, I don't envy the French and the choice they must make. Just goes to show that having more than 2 choices doesn't always produce a better offering.
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I hope today's terrorist attack in Paris does not swing the elections to the far right, but I am afraid it will. When you think what the US and Britain have done to ourselves, and you think about what Paris has had to endure, you can't really blame them if they swing right. Let's just keep them in our prayers and hope they somehow manage to find the strength that the Us and Britain couldn't.
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If Le Pen and Melenchon become the two candidates for the second round the EU is screwed either way.
I hope Macron will become the next president.
Europe needs a pro EU French president in these uncertain times.
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I hope today's terrorist attack in Paris does not swing the elections to the far right, but I am afraid it will. When you think what the US and Britain have done to ourselves, and you think about what Paris has had to endure, you can't really blame them if they swing right. Let's just keep them in our prayers and hope they somehow manage to find the strength that the Us and Britain couldn't.
I think that the 20-25% range is the max for Le Pen.
She will be somewhere around that range the first round, but she will not gain very much from the other candidates in the second round if she makes it past the first one IMHO.
The number of potential Le Pen voters is much higher, but many of them will not be bothered to get registered and then go out to vote.
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Macron is a banker and will work for the banks and not for the French, Mélenchon is friend with Putin and Maduro, Fillon and Le Pen are accused of having hired people for doing nothing. The fifth Hamon claims that he is against lobbies when his wife is lobbyist for LVMH.


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I hope today's terrorist attack in Paris does not swing the elections to the far right
Whatever happens the elections will swing to far from right.

Here is a link for the elections: http://www.france24.com/en/tag/frenc...lections-2017/
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CNN hasn't reported on the French Election but Anderson Cooper like his French Fries.

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Macron is an empty shell. He literally appeared out of thin air as a previously unknown member of Hollande's cabinet, and was mysteriously propelled into the limelight by the media.
Until a month ago, he had no platform at all, and his entire campaign is based on empty rhetoric about being the new face, changing politics, and choosing an alternative between left and right. However, he has never been clear about what is new in his platform and what he is going to change.
When you dig a bit deeper beyond the fact that he's new to politics, he's a pure product of the establishment, with murky ties to industrial lobbies, banks, and the media, and his platform is business as usual.
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If I could, I would have voted for Hamon at one time, but he isn't really in the picture anymore. As empty as Macron's platform is, if it came to a choice between him and Fillon or Le Pen, I would feel obligated to vote for him.

I would add that, yes, we often speak of the Extreme Left or the Extreme Right, but I think there is also an Extreme Centre, or Status Quo, and it's just as ''dangerous''. Or just as off putting to me, anyway.
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Macron is an empty shell.
That is what they said about Barack Obama. Just some food for thought.
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If I could, I would have voted for Hamon at one time, but he isn't really in the picture anymore.
Yes. The way he became the candidate of the Parti Socialiste by winning the primaries against the established faction led to him being abandoned by his own party. Most of the PS leaders screwed him by supporting Macron, and probably hoping to get cabinet positions. They should have been kicked out of the party, and lost their mandates for the parliamentary elections, for supporting another candidate, but they weren't. So Hamon is pretty much campaigning alone with the leaders of his party supporting another candidate.

It really is a shame, because Hamon is probably the most honest and most reasonable of all the candidates.

The truth is, Macron doesn't have an actual party backing him, so if he gets elected as president, he will need the support of the PS to fill his cabinet and to get a majority in parliament.

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As empty as Macron's platform is, if it came to a choice between him and Fillon or Le Pen, I would feel obligated to vote for him.
Sure, it's pretty much a given that Le Pen will be in the second round. However, whoever else gets through is pretty much assured to be President. At this point, there are pretty much equal chances that it can be Macron, Mélenchon, or Fillon (they are all between 20 and 24% in recent polls). Le Pen can't reasonably win the second round (at least I doubt it), and even if she did, she can't have a majority in parliament.

In the French system, the President appoints the Prime Minister and Government among the parliamentary majority. When the majority is the not from the same faction as the President, then it's called "cohabitation" and the President has very little power, if any.

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I would add that, yes, we often speak of the Extreme Left or the Extreme Right, but I think there is also an Extreme Centre, or Status Quo, and it's just as ''dangerous''. Or just as off putting to me, anyway.
I am actually more afraid of Macron than of Mélenchon. The sudden rise of Macron in the media, with basically no platform and no ideology, is highly suspicious to me. He is definitely somebody's puppet.

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That is what they said about Barack Obama. Just some food for thought.
At least Obama had been elected once or twice before running for president, and he was backed by a party.
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Edouard Louis saunters into the restaurant looking the archetypal university student in jeans and bashed-up trainers. It’s well past midday but the radical 24-year-old French writer has only just woken up, and says he doesn’t fancy lunch.

“Un café s’il vous plait,” he signals to the waiter.

I’m excited and nervous to be meeting Louis. Excited, because even coming after Karl Ove Knausgaard and Elena Ferrante it’s difficult to find a literary sensation that has transfixed so many readers in the same way his extraordinary debut novel The End of Eddy has. Nervous, because the life of Eddy is horrible, especially when you know that everything in the book is real.

The portrait Louis paints of Hallencourt, his childhood village of 1,300 people in a gritty, post-industrial area of northern France, is grim. Domestic violence, racism, no jobs, too much booze and attitudes based on ignorance and fear. Over half the locals support the far-right Front National.

To say that the author — a weedy gay kid, accused of “fancy ways” — is at odds with this environment would be an understatement. In the book’s 192 pages Eddy is regularly beaten, mocked and spat on by locals for whom being a “faggot, fag, fairy, cocksucker, punk, pansy, sissy, wimp, girly boy, pussy, bitch, homo, fruit, poof, queer or homosexual” is worse than being an “Arab”, “black” or “Jew”.

Then there’s his home life. The family lacks money for food and sometimes depend on handouts. Rain enters the house through holes in walls. His father, who becomes unemployed, is one of the hard men of the village and drinks very large quantities of red wine from very large boxes; his mother is naive; both of them are racist.

Upon publication in France in 2014, the book sold 300,000-plus copies within a year, was shortlisted for the prestigious Prix Goncourt literary award for debut novels, and subsequently translated into more than 20 languages (including into English last month). Its author, then an unknown 21-year-old, also caused uproar. Debate raged over whether Louis had misrepresented his working-class background. French media descended on the village to try and determine fact from fiction and whether semi-rural France really had such a violent underbelly. His brother went looking for him with a baseball bat; his mother appeared on national TV to challenge his version of events; Louis responded by publishing photos of their home online.

“When I sent the manuscript of the book to a bunch of publishers, they told me, ‘Look, we can’t take this because nobody in France lives in such poverty’,” Louis explains, sipping his coffee. “It was a typical reaction. But these publishers grew up in the nice areas of Paris and went to good universities. I don’t think these kinds of people don’t want to talk about poverty, it’s because they aren’t even aware it exists.”

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Thanks Detrius - I need to read that.

I live in semi-rural or even very-rural France. I spend a lot of time these days with people who really don't have it easy (at the food bank, which is not a food bank but it's the easiest way to describe it).

They need to blame *somebody* for not listening to them, so yeah, some of them vote National Front thinking Le Pen cares and getting the immigrants out of France and France out of the EU is going to magically make it better.

This, mind you, in a place where EU subsidies actually keep the farms going. And even though they have no real beef with the "new immigrants". The problem is the second- and third-generation immigrants who are stuck between two worlds and looking for an identity: are they French (despite their papers), or are they not? Exclusion certainly exists, and it exists *more* in the big cities. Out here? The north Africans cohabit pretty peacefully in general with the rest (with exceptions, but hey).

And after that ramble, I really, truly don't know who I'd vote for if I had the vote. Not for Le Pen, but the others? I think of it as France's very own Clown Car.

Our French friends, in fact, have wildly different views and cheerfully discuss the whole thing. I think what surprises me after, you know, the US elections is that much as politics *are* widely discussed and there *is* quite a bit of fairly strong feeling, it's not (yet, or at least in my bit of the boondocks) turned into spewing hate for the "others".

I had a chat on Thursday to a lady (French) who comes to the food distribution. She said she had absolutely no idea who to vote for, except probably Le Pen because of the said promises to "look after" people and find them jobs. I talked about the UK and how the Tories were doing anything *but* "looking after people" unless they happen to be white and wealthy, like in the US. I may have made a convert. I dunno. In the past she's voted far left. She also hangs out with a bunch of immigrants and is most definitely not racially biased.

It's a bizarre atmosphere here all the same. We have a fairly right-wing mayor who is also an MP and who does, in fact, do a whole lot for the "little people" in town in terms of social structures. He's done a *lot* to make sure the poor are fed, and that job stay here. Yet he is a staunch opponent of gay marriage.

France... is strange, and diverse, and people really don't know which way to turn.
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Le Pen is like a slightly more racist version of Donald Trump. Sadly, I fear she will win the election.

Then we'll have the Trifecta of Terror: Trump, May, and Le Pen.

God help us all.
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Le Pen is like a slightly more racist version of Donald Trump. Sadly, I fear she will win the election.

Then we'll have the Trifecta of Terror: Trump, May, and Le Pen.

God help us all.
You forget Putin and Erdogan.
May not so much IMHO, she is only a national threat for the UK economy.
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Le Pen is like a slightly more racist version of Donald Trump. Sadly, I fear she will win the election.

Then we'll have the Trifecta of Terror: Trump, May, and Le Pen.

God help us all.
Indeed. I look at all the polls, which say that in the second round, Le Pen cannot win.

But they said that about the Orange One.

If I believe in God, I'd say God help us. Right now, I can only hope that enough reason will prevail in weird, diverse, chaotic France because I love it with all its warts.

So much that I'd trundle off with my UK and Swiss passports and ask for a French one if push came to shove.
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A snippet of this vid for those who don't want to listen to the whole thing, if only to listen to John Oliver speak directly to the voters - in French.

Also, ''Larry'' Skywalker and the espèce d'ours. Ha!

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*Patient* French voters?

They must have been in Canada long enough to learn that. Here, the notion of "waiting in line" is an exercise in using one's elbows, pushing, and shouting.

But like I said, warts and all, right?
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French election: Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen estimated to be through to second round
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That statement is true. Queen Victoria was involved with the opium trade. Britain liked tea, which they got from China. But the Chinese would only accept silver as payment. Since the Pound Sterling was literally sterling silver at the time, they couldn't just print more, it was a drain on their money supply.

They needed a product that could balance trade with China. That product was opium, which came from their colonies in India. At first, British trading houses illegally brought the opium to Chinese ports. In fact, HSBC, originally the HongKong and Shanghai Banking Company, was set up to finance the ships that brought in the opium.

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At least with le Pen in second round it's certain that Macron will win.

I'd have been much more worried if it was Macron vs Melenchon. Anyone who thinks Maduro is doing such a swell job in Venezuela is a danger to not just France but all neighbouring countries as well.
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You have too many m-something candidates on that ballot. I needed to look up if it was an 'oh shit' result' or a half a shit result.
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You mean "merde".
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