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Old 04-08-2017, 07:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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U.S. Navy strike group to move toward Korean peninsula

U.S. Navy strike group to move toward Korean peninsula: U.S. official | Reuters

This is really bad news. It's one thing to drop bombs on a mostly empty Syrian airbase. If Trump and crew decide to drop even one bomb on North Korea all hell could break loose.
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Ok, thanks guys it was nice to chat with you.
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Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over' - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

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"My fellow Americans," Bush said, "at long last, we have reached the end of the dark period in American history that will come to be known as the Clinton Era, eight long years characterized by unprecedented economic expansion, a sharp decrease in crime, and sustained peace overseas. The time has come to put all of that behind us."

Bush swore to do "everything in [his] power" to undo the damage wrought by Clinton's two terms in office, including selling off the national parks to developers, going into massive debt to develop expensive and impractical weapons technologies, and passing sweeping budget cuts that drive the mentally ill out of hospitals and onto the street.

During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.

"You better believe we're going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration," said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. "Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?"
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So, who guessed that we'd start World War III within the first hundred days?
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So, who guessed that we'd start World War III within the first hundred days?
It was a suspicion.
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Ok, thanks guys it was nice to chat with you.
It was nice knowing you all.. didn't think we would be the ones starting it. I wonder which us city will be attacked first..in retaliation?

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It was nice knowing you all.. didn't think we would be the ones starting it. I wonder which us city will be attacked first..in retaliation?

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I have a feeling we will win that one here in DC. Oh well, better than a lingering death I suppose.
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I guess King Donnie got such a raging boner from playing with our missiles and getting all of that positive feedback that he wants more.
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I guess King Donnie got such a raging boner from playing with our missiles and getting all of that positive feedback that he wants more.
Yeah, that's how I see it. It seems bleak with few calling him out for it.
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As much as I want to hate on Dumb Donald, this is not news.
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Wanda, I see your "WTF" but these exercises have been going on for decades. I mean no offense, but when it comes to the US and NK, this is business as usual.
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So, who guessed that we'd start World War III within the first hundred days?

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Wanda, I see your "WTF" but these exercises have been going on for decades. I mean no offense, but when it comes to the US and NK, this is business as usual.
Yup. Every year we do joint exercises with SK, and every year NK whines about it being an open war provocation yadda yadda.
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Yup. Every year we do joint exercises with SK, and every year NK whines about it being an open war provocation yadda yadda.
yes but before there weren't things like this being said

Trump mulls plan to place nukes in S. Korea or kill Kim Jong-un - NY Daily News

North Korea Promises 'Most Ruthless Blow' to US

When you have 2 unpredictable nutjobs .. 1 on each side of the table, playing a dangerous game of chicken.... what happened 'every year' is no longer the same.

Kim Jong-un fires off a bunch of missiles to make a point..
Trump gives a huge show of missiles on Syria...
what happens next.. well as things usually go with nutjobs, it escalates more.

What we have here are 2 grown up toddlers playing with sparklers in a tinderbox.

Add to that a very hawkish (and progressively facist) Japan and it is just a matter of time before the shit hits the proverbial fan.
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Yup. Every year we do joint exercises with SK, and every year NK whines about it being an open war provocation yadda yadda.
That is true, but the timing - right on the heels of "sending Syria a message" - coupled with who's now at the helm, makes it a bit more ominous.
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When you have 2 unpredictable nutjobs .. 1 on each side of the table, playing a dangerous game of chicken.... what happened 'every year' is no longer the same.
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I guess King Donnie got such a raging boner from playing with our missiles and getting all of that positive feedback that he wants more.
My feeling is that the Syria fireworks show timing was awfully convenient for when Trump would be visiting China & discussing North Korea. Now, I doubt President Xi Jinping will be impressed, but it certainly all does tie together well.
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When the US removed our land-based nuclear strike systems from SK, we didn't completely remove nuclear strike capability against NK. Airborne, submarine-based and ICBM capabilities never went away.
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When the US removed our land-based nuclear strike systems from SK, we didn't completely remove nuclear strike capability against NK. Airborne, submarine-based and ICBM capabilities never went away.
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You know, the one thing I kind of thought Trump had going for him was he didn't seem particularly warmongering.

Like all his talk about jobs and walls and basically becoming isolationist, I kind of though we would go into less war with him.
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Incidentally, one of the prime, motivating factors for World War I was the French assistance in modernizing Russia's Military force. Eventually, Russia with it's huge population and resources would get to a point where Germany would be surrounded on both sides by large, competent military forces which, if combined, would be able to defeat Germany. Since the Kaiser had already soured relationships all around with his blunt, aggressive and not entirely competent and somewhat loony personality (his field marshal, to elevate the Kaiser's mood, would occasionally don a pink tutu and dance for him on a table - at other times the Kaiser would spend hours redesigning naval ships and give unsolicited advice to Queen Victoria) the danger of an aggressive alliance against Germany was not out of the question.

So the only way out was to knock out Russia with a crippling blow and then launch a huge attack through the low countries against France. This had been the plan ever since at least the Russian defeat from Japan in 1905, but various attempts since 1906 has been stymied - the 1906 crisis in Morocco was prevented from escalating when Gladstone advised the Queen to gift the Kaiser with a full dress Royal Marines uniform (he so loved dressing up...but then so was the Tsar, they were both known to show off their uniform collection to each other and visiting guests. It was a "thing" back then).

I'm sorry, I don't know why I'm suddenly going back 100 years...I'm sure nothing will go wrong.
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