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Old 03-19-2017, 01:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Waiter refused to serve 4 women until he saw ‘proof of residency’

A California waiter refused to serve 4 Latina women until he saw ‘proof of residency’ - The Washington Post
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But the mood soured quickly after the waiter appeared. Before he could serve the four Latina women, he said, they needed to show proof of residency. “I need to make sure you’re from here,” he said.

Flummoxed, the four women handed over their IDs. But as what was happening sank in, they fumed. “I looked at my sister and [my friend], and I said, did he really just say that?”

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Before Trump's administration, did this sort of thing happen at times in some States? Did people other than the police ask people for ID to prove their citizenship?

















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This wouldn't have happened if the women involved were open carrying.
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Old 03-19-2017, 02:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I guess going to a restaurant really can be a kind of suffering, but I doubt it brings out any form of good art except when conducted by a competent and erudite restaurant critic.
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Before Drumpf's administration, did this sort of thing happen at times in some States? Did people other than the police ask people for ID to prove their citizenship?
Not that I had heard much of. I am sure some idiots did variations of it but everyone agreed doing things like that to customers was an immediate trip to the unemployment office. The big difference is the idiots who would do it think they can get away with it now.
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Old 03-19-2017, 03:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Welp, there goes that waiter's tip. 4 cents, a penny for what each woman thought of his assholery.
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Welp, there goes that waiter's tip. 4 cents, a penny for what each woman thought of his assholery.
If you read the article, he got fired for violating company policy.
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Seriously nobody should ever be asked for ID in a restaurant unless they're ordering a drink or writing a check (and who does that anymore).
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Seriously nobody should ever be asked for ID in a restaurant unless they're ordering a drink or writing a check (and who does that anymore).
Oddly at least Best Buy asks for ID. I am not talking huge purchases, just $20 or $30 things. I have no idea why since nobody ever looks at the signature if you have to sign when using a credit card (go ahead, sign something like 'this is stolen' sometime).
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Oddly at least Best Buy asks for ID. I am not talking huge purchases, just $20 or $30 things. I have no idea why since nobody ever looks at the signature if you have to sign when using a credit card (go ahead, sign something like 'this is stolen' sometime).

Yeah that's weird, I haven't been asked for ID by anybody lately except Motel 6, I understand why they do it though. But not at a store.
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A few moments later, they walked over to the manager and told him what had happened. He offered them a separate section and his business card to make things right — but they had already decided to leave.

Seeing the social media backlash, the restaurant’s management contacted Carrillo that Monday. They offered a VIP experience at the restaurant and pledged to donate 10 percent of the weekend’s proceeds to a nonprofit organization of the group’s choice. The four women declined the lavish meal, but asked that the restaurant donate the money to Orange County Immigrant Youth United.
Kent Bearden, the senior director of operations at Saint Marc, told The Washington Post that the waiter who had asked for the women’s IDs had been fired. It was the first time the employee had done anything like this, Bearden said, and he “had never received so much as a write-up” before.

“I don’t know if he had an agenda or not,” said Bearden. “My concern is he violated a company policy. We’re very specific about how we treat out guests. That individual did not treat a table of guests to the expectations that we set forth in that company policy, and that caused him to be terminated.”
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Yeah that's weird, I haven't been asked for ID by anybody lately except Motel 6, I understand why they do it though. But not at a store.
I got carded at BevMo the other day. At my age, I really take that as a compliment.
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He probably thought his boss had too many customers.
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Oddly at least Best Buy asks for ID. I am not talking huge purchases, just $20 or $30 things. I have no idea why since nobody ever looks at the signature if you have to sign when using a credit card (go ahead, sign something like 'this is stolen' sometime).
The Best Buy here has never asked for our IDs.
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I went to a bar once in Portland probably around 2010 that carded everyone entering regardless of age. I asked the bouncer why. He said flat out that it was to keep out anyone who couldn't get id.
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Just another sign we need the big one to hit and knock California off the main continent and sink at sea. They can all become high priests of Atlantis/Mu/Gowandaland/Nutville finally.

Not that I agree with the waiter's actions but something about this just doesn't add up to me. Hopefully I'm wrong but my instincts say there's some missing info here.
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What was his logic? "If you're not a US citizen I won't be you waiter?" Does he think that it's common practice for restaurants to refuse non US citizens' patronage? Did he ID customers with say, British or German accents too? What a clown. What a bigot.
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I went to a bar once in Portland probably around 2010 that carded everyone entering regardless of age. I asked the bouncer why. He said flat out that it was to keep out anyone who couldn't get id.
Places that serve alcohol need to protect themselves from liability, but, as long as you can show a passport or some other official document, it shouldn't matter (and usually doesn't, in my experience) what country the customer(s) hails from.
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Places that serve alcohol need to protect themselves from liability, but, as long as you can show a passport or some other official document, it shouldn't matter (and usually doesn't, in my experience) what country the customer(s) hails from.
It's those people who have no official documents they didn't want. Also, it's highly unusual for any bar in Portland to card everyone even if you're 50.
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It's those people who have no official documents they didn't want.
I get that, and that's a shitty attitude for them to hold, but, in the end, you really shouldn't be expecting to get into a club whose liquors sales make up the lion's share of their profits without ID. In fact, a bartender, server, doorman, etc, can be arrested, spend a few hours in jail, and be fined (and the business' liquor license can be suspended or revoked) if they don't check ID, in most states (if not all). Many jurisdictions run stings just to keep places (and their staff) that serve alcohol on their toes.
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From time to time, we receive questions on whether the OLCC requires anyone buying or being served alcohol to have a valid ID on them.

The OLCC requires licensees to check ID of anyone who reasonably appears 26 years old or younger.

An establishment might have a restriction on their liquor license due to a history of serving alcohol to minors or allowing minors in prohibited areas. In this case, it could be that a licensed business is required to check the ID of every person entering the establishment or being sold/served alcoholic beverages.

Or, a business can choose to have a stricter ID policy than what the state requires.
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Pretty similar to what we have here in MN. I've had the MN version of that training a couple of times at least, having been a server, bartender, and manager at various points in my life. The one difference I see between OR and MN is that we don't have the "Statement of Age card" option. At least, I was never made aware of it, if it is acceptable according to MN law.
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