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Old 02-13-2017, 01:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Oroville dam in CA has partially failed. 188000 ordered to evacuate.

This seems like it is quite a big deal, particularly if there is catastrophic failure.

Threat of Oroville spillway collapse lessens as thousands evacuate from Marysville, Yuba, Butte and Sutter counties | The Sacramento Bee

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If the dam completely failed, flood depths could reach more than 100 feet in Oroville and up to 10 feet in Yuba City.
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It was stunning. And it's not the Oroville dam itself that's failing, it's the adjacent spillway that has developed a huge sinkhole. The problem is, they can't shut down the overflow because the lake is already at 98% capacity. Shutting down the overflow would definitely compromise the dam itself.


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It was my understanding the dam itself is in no danger. It is basically a case of the broken spillway or the mountain.
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Oroville Dam: Evacuees wonder how they'll know it's safe to return | The Sacramento Bee

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10:20 a.m.: Water is flowing out of Lake Oroville's main spillway fast enough to cause lake levels to drop by up to 30 feet before the next storm Wednesday night.

OES spokesman Scott McLean said the lake level is continuing to inch downtown “four inches an hour, about eight feet a day.”

Officials hope that will be enough. Lake Oroville can fill fast during a big storm. During storms from Monday of last week through Friday, lake levels increased by 50 feet.

The main factor in how fast the lake drains continues to be the condition of the main spillway. Officials said Monday morning that the main spillway had not further deteriorated despite huge outflows cascading over it Sunday afternoon and evening.
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FB response from a right-wing cousin of mine: "See, there IS water in California. The drought was FAKE NEWS!"
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FB response from a right-wing cousin of mine: "See, there IS water in California. The drought was FAKE NEWS!"

Do tell her that Central Valley people are all telling me IN PERSON that this is a freaky freaky bizarro wet rainy year.

It's my fault, I brought it with me from Oregon just like when I moved from Texas to Oregon then Oregon had a super hot summer because I'm weather magic like that
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Do tell her that Central Valley people are all telling me IN PERSON that this is a freaky freaky bizarro wet rainy year.

It's my fault, I brought it with me from Oregon just like when I moved from Texas to Oregon then Oregon had a super hot summer because I'm weather magic like that
Weatherwise, you have missed a rather atrocious winter in Portland.
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Do tell her that Central Valley people are all telling me IN PERSON that this is a freaky freaky bizarro wet rainy year.

It's my fault, I brought it with me from Oregon just like when I moved from Texas to Oregon then Oregon had a super hot summer because I'm weather magic like that
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Do tell her that Central Valley people are all telling me IN PERSON that this is a freaky freaky bizarro wet rainy year.

It's my fault, I brought it with me from Oregon just like when I moved from Texas to Oregon then Oregon had a super hot summer because I'm weather magic like that
Thank you, Brenda! I am so loving seeing all the Coast Range hills green as can be for the first time in several years.
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FB response from a right-wing cousin of mine: "See, there IS water in California. The drought was FAKE NEWS!"
What a maroon. It may very well be the wettest January EVER in several places and already February is continuing the trend, albeit at a slightly less aggressive pace. I'll see if I can drop an image of NOAA's precipitation totals but if I biff it (been a while since I've done that) I'll add the link to their site, which always has data through 4:00 PM (16:00) of the previous day.

The numbers for the same period in 2016 are slightly misleading, it was actually looking very promising but it all stopped much too soon and it never extended to Southern California at all. This year it has. :-) If you look at the numbers you'll see more than a few places that have already exceeded or damn near equaled their YEARLY average (the measuring year ends in October) and it's only the second week of February. There is still a whole month and a half to go, not counting any bonus stuff in April or even May.



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the numbers I've seen are 30% less deficit thanks to the unusual snow/rain fall this season. although'd be better off if it was ALL snow, because that replenishes aquifers, and end up as wasted as direct overflow... can only capture so much before it runs out to sea
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Too late.

We're having an unusually wet winter, but I strongly suspect the drought will rear its ugly head again over the next several years. And the ground aquifers are still seriously depleted.
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Apparently the evacuation order has been lifted by the dam authority, as the primary spillway has held up enough to reduce the reservoir level by some ten feet. But local law enforcement is warning returning evacuees not to get comfortable, because storms are expected again later this week and particularly bad ones can put another 30 feet in the reservoir before you know it.

But whether or not, Californians now have a several-hundred-million-dollar dam repair project to pay for. The primary spillway must be repaired and the emergency spillway probably must be completely reconstructed and laid with concrete the way it should've been done originally.
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the numbers I've seen are 30% less deficit thanks to the unusual snow/rain fall this season. although'd be better off if it was ALL snow, because that replenishes aquifers, and end up as wasted as direct overflow... can only capture so much before it runs out to sea
Yep, more snow and extended cold season would be ideal; the big Valley normally worries about flooding much later in the Spring, like May and early June when the snowpack higher up is melting fast. The reservoirs fed by the mountain rivers (as is Oroville: the Feather) are typically allowed to get quite low in the rainy season to be sure and leave flood control room for the spring thaw.

With the crap we've been going through over the last few years, they've had to forget all that and just grab whatever water they can. I agree with that tactic, frankly. We've been promised rain and been let down so badly so often I don't think we could take the psychological pain if we wasted this chance, even if it means big trouble in the Spring.

We'll make it. We always make it, that's what we do (same as everybody else). Hell, we made it through the near complete destruction of our largest (and only really large) city in the 1906 Earthquake and Fire. Laughed in its face and built one of the prettiest (if astonishingly difficult to drive in) cities in the nation, just to show it who's Boss.

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Do tell her that Central Valley people are all telling me IN PERSON that this is a freaky freaky bizarro wet rainy year.

It's my fault, I brought it with me from Oregon just like when I moved from Texas to Oregon then Oregon had a super hot summer because I'm weather magic like that
And here I thought it was all my fault since, invariably, hot, dry weather has always followed me to each state I have moved to and went away after I moved to another state. It went away because it followed me.
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And here I thought it was all my fault since, invariably, hot, dry weather has always followed me to each state I have moved to and went away after I moved to another state. It went away because it followed me.

Then you could come down here and fix the rain problem
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Tempting. But it wouldn't be fair to my rescue kitty.

And frankly, California ain't my kinda place. Oregon is home now and I have no plans to ever leave.
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Tempting. But it wouldn't be fair to my rescue kitty.

And frankly, California ain't my kinda place. Oregon is home now and I have no plans to ever leave.

I hope you and your kitty are doing well. And that summer is coming.
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Fitting that the most recent post to this thread was made on Friday, the 17th. That's when the power went out at my house. A little before 5:00 in the morning. It's still out at 1:00 in the afternoon on Sunday, the 19th (I'm at the office right now). Still no word on when it will be back on, either. There was a ton of damage from the storms. We're getting another round of showers now and there's a severe storm due in tomorrow.

I've had to take different routes both in and out to and from home all three days, as different road closures (mostly fallen trees; a couple of slides) come and go. We do in fact really need a break from the rain and supposedly one's coming starting Wednesday. Here's hoping.

I know that a great many of my fellow Californians are getting slammed by the weather. North, South, and Central; we're all getting it. So a couple of songs to cheer us up a little. The first is one I heard for the first time yesterday; the second is one I first heard sometime back before Christmas and which is still the most beautiful song I've heard since.


I really love that song; it's from a heart that's pure and simple.
There will eventually be a summertime, and the hills will turn brown. :-)
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