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Old 09-12-2018, 07:32 PM   #5401 (permalink)
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Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, is an Evangelical Christian who apparently speaks in tongues. Nevertheless, he's delivered a speech to the British Trades Union Congress that has rather upset some Conservatives and may rather surprise some of his US coreligionists.

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The archbishop said that poverty can increase “vulnerability to the populism that stirs hatred”, warning of the “rise of ancient demons” such as antisemitism, Islamophobia and extremism.

Totally agreed with him on this.
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So, apparently Pat Robertson believes himself to be Jesus:

Pat Robertson Casts ‘Shield Of Protection’ Ahead Of Hurricane Florence | Huffpost

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Speaking in Virginia, home of his Christian Broadcasting Network and in the potential path of the storm, Robertson cited a Bible passage in which Jesus commanded the wind and water on the Sea of Galilee to “be still.”

Then the preacher said he and his followers could accomplish the same “if we are together with one accord.”
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A powerful warning from a veteran of the Polish resistance: I survived the Warsaw ghetto. Here are the lessons I’d like to pass on
It did not appear on main page for me so I missed it but holy hell, am glad someone who was alive then put it into words. I am from a hometown I had mentioned somewhere on this forum but the gist is that 'Catholic, white, considered-truely-Polish' folks had sold other religions, ethnic groups out or straight out committed mass murder. Why? Eastern side of Poland was very multi-cultural and open minded, my hometown became a centre for education and inventive, new businesses. Others just wanted their houses, firms and accolades so they went kill happy and achieve their goals. All was covered up, along with most town history and I was shocked a month ago when I found a postcard with a mosque - no one ever mentioned one, ever (I studied history, culture, art and architecture - my school was a bloody museum).

When I moved, in 2008, it was ... okay. Homophobic, not fit for disabled and with no jobs but it was progressing the right way. Cue the crisis and it all goes to neo-Nazi dream land where it seems extremists are majority and others are silenced and shunned. It is also much, much worse than it was pre-WW2 and surprise, surprise - those who made fortune on dead people are also still alive. Most notably - mum's partner's mother who is 100. He was throwing her a birthday party and wanted to do a video of old materials he could gather and one photo stunned him. His mother had worked in some sort of an industrial office (printing administration maybe? Forgot.) and she and other two ladies were the only Catholic and white people. Others were a total mix but majority was Jewish. The workplace had staged a photoshoot and took one of 200 people there on the day, came back next week to retake and ... it was only them 3. Her son asked her what happened despite knowing the answer but did not expect a shrug and "They just buggered off, no idea where." - it would be true if buggering off means 'being escorted to a ghetto'.

The cleric linked above got that one right as well - extremists thrive when society is unstable and divided. People who barely hang on will not start revolutions while others will exploit them.

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Still on the topic of Poland who happens to have crap disability accommodations and equally shite public transport.

I have no links to the news as all in Polish but will summarise: One disabled lady has an electric wheelchair and buses keep refusing to let her board (they have sufficient space and a legal demand). Anytime she tried to go anywhere and needs a bus (or a train, or a tram) - it was years of noes and she finally had enough. Off to city chambers she went to speak to city president and ....city chambers are not accessible and no one wanted to help her (she has a brother in same situation as hers). Lady just stopped giving a damn and any time they refused her (while being perfectly able to accommodate her) - she parked her chair opposite of bus and waited for city to turn into chaos. Recently, some bloke tried to shove her away from the bus and she went over his foot with a wheel and possible court case is brewing. The depressing thing is the comments - everyone loathes the lady as if she is reincarnation of Satan. I need to pack old flat for selling and I promise to make some time to go to her city and do precisely same.
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So, apparently Pat Robertson believes himself to be Jesus:

Pat Robertson Casts ‘Shield Of Protection’ Ahead Of Hurricane Florence | Huffpost
Bullshit, he doesn't have any levels in the class that's required for that spell!

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This happened rather close to home:

Six dead, including gunman and his wife, in Bakersfield shooting rampage | LATimes
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Scary scenes as some kind of gas-service related incident caused explosions and fires in over 70 homes across three towns in Massachusetts simulataneously this afternoon

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NBC10 Boston helicopter footage showed more than six houses smoking or in flames across the region, with a massive response from firefighters and police amid a problem with a gas line that feeds homes in Andover, North Andover and Lawrence.

Andover officials said they struck a 10-alarm response, its maximum fire response. More than 50 fire vehicles and 10 ambulances responded. They said all 38 fires in their town have been extinguished.

"I've never seen anything like this in my entire career," Andover Fire Chief Michael Mansfield said. "It looked like Armageddon. Billows of smoke coming from Lawrence behind me, plumes of smoke coming from in front of me in Andover. It just looked like a war zone. It's something I've never experienced and I hope I never have to experience it again."

Joseph Solomon, the police chief in nearby Methuen, said 20 to 25 homes were on fire in Lawrence. Solomon, who responded to Lawrence to help, said there are so many fires "you can't even see the sky."

Twelve to 14 fires were reported in North Andover, Town Manager Andrew Maylor said.

Lawrence police Chief Roy Vasque told The Eagle-Tribune that he's "never seen anything like this."

Massachusetts State Police said they have confirmed responses to over 70 different addresses in the three communities for fires, explosions or investigations, and said the number will grow. They said troopers are assisting with scene security and traffic control after "multiple suspected gas explosions and structure fires."

One home could be seen burning to the ground with no firefighters in sight as emergency crews scrambled to respond to the various scenes.

"It looked like a war zone to me," said one North Andover resident who was evacuated from his home.

Officials in Andover said at least three people, including a firefighter, were injured in the town. Lawrence General Hospital also said it is treating six victims with fire-related injuries and two of them are in critical condition.

Matthew Van Dyke of Lawrence said he saw four kids coming out of one building. All of them appeared to be injured.

Andover is issuing an evacuation advisory for all residents and businesses. Anyone who knows how to safely turn off the gas service in their home or building is advised to do so. Some areas of North Andover and Lawrence are also being evacuated.

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State police said anyone in the three towns who have Columbia Gas service should evacuate their homes "immediately" if they have not already done so. They said the gas lines are being depressurized, but it will take some time.

All South Lawrence residents were also asked to evacuate around 7:45 p.m. as officials prepared to shut down power.
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Scary scenes as some kind of gas-service related incident caused explosions and fires in over 70 homes across three towns in Massachusetts simulataneously this afternoon

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NBC10 Boston helicopter footage showed more than six houses smoking or in flames across the region, with a massive response from firefighters and police amid a problem with a gas line that feeds homes in Andover, North Andover and Lawrence.

Andover officials said they struck a 10-alarm response, its maximum fire response. More than 50 fire vehicles and 10 ambulances responded. They said all 38 fires in their town have been extinguished.

"I've never seen anything like this in my entire career," Andover Fire Chief Michael Mansfield said. "It looked like Armageddon. Billows of smoke coming from Lawrence behind me, plumes of smoke coming from in front of me in Andover. It just looked like a war zone. It's something I've never experienced and I hope I never have to experience it again."

Joseph Solomon, the police chief in nearby Methuen, said 20 to 25 homes were on fire in Lawrence. Solomon, who responded to Lawrence to help, said there are so many fires "you can't even see the sky."

Twelve to 14 fires were reported in North Andover, Town Manager Andrew Maylor said.

Lawrence police Chief Roy Vasque told The Eagle-Tribune that he's "never seen anything like this."

Massachusetts State Police said they have confirmed responses to over 70 different addresses in the three communities for fires, explosions or investigations, and said the number will grow. They said troopers are assisting with scene security and traffic control after "multiple suspected gas explosions and structure fires."

One home could be seen burning to the ground with no firefighters in sight as emergency crews scrambled to respond to the various scenes.

"It looked like a war zone to me," said one North Andover resident who was evacuated from his home.

Officials in Andover said at least three people, including a firefighter, were injured in the town. Lawrence General Hospital also said it is treating six victims with fire-related injuries and two of them are in critical condition.

Matthew Van Dyke of Lawrence said he saw four kids coming out of one building. All of them appeared to be injured.

Andover is issuing an evacuation advisory for all residents and businesses. Anyone who knows how to safely turn off the gas service in their home or building is advised to do so. Some areas of North Andover and Lawrence are also being evacuated.

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State police said anyone in the three towns who have Columbia Gas service should evacuate their homes "immediately" if they have not already done so. They said the gas lines are being depressurized, but it will take some time.

All South Lawrence residents were also asked to evacuate around 7:45 p.m. as officials prepared to shut down power.
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Lengthy but very interesting article by a British political journalist on How Twitter Poisoned Politics (Evernote link because Prospect's sign up process).

His examples are British, but I think the mechanisms he describes probably apply elsewhere as well.
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During high school, I dated a guy for a number of years whose family was really big into Amway, and of course involved him, because that is what pyramid schemes do.

This article mirrors everything I saw. They were extremely pro-Reagan, uber evangelical yet never donated to any needy causes, constantly attended the meetings and pushed the Amway doctrine on all around them and by that I don't just mean the business side and overall were just your typical upper middle class fuck you, I got mine - The poor deserve to be poor kind of people.

I'm so glad that relationship didn't work out. For all I know, with all of that constant pressure, I may have absorbed those messages and become a drone just as they were. Though, to be fair, at that time I already loathed Reagan and saw through his shtick, was living in poverty myself and resented all they were saying.
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Controversial commentator Katie Hopkins, who once said poor people in debt have no one else to blame but themselves, has applied for an insolvency agreement in a bid to avoid bankruptcy following a costly libel case involving the food writer Jack Monroe.

Last year, the rightwing broadcaster was ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds in damages and legal costs after she sent tweets in 2015 which falsely implied Monroe backed the defacement of war memorials by protestors.

Monroe originally asked for Hopkins to apologise and donate £5,000 to a migrants’ charity or she would sue. But Hopkins – who had confused Monroe with the columnist Laurie Penny – refused to back down, resulting in a costly court case, with the commentator forced to pay £24,000 in damages and a substantially larger sum in legal costs.

Meanwhile, her mainstream media career collapsed. She parted ways with Mail Online, for whom she had written a regular column, in late 2017, only a few months after losing her LBC radio show when she called for a “final solution” in response to the Manchester Arena terrorist attack. She now works for the far-right Canadian outlet Rebel Media.
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Also, do check out Jack Monroe, her books and her website. She deals with recipes for poverty level cooking costing out her recipes and including the stores to buy the ingredients from. Very affordable food.



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Lengthy interview with Ruth Davidson, leader of the Scottish Conservatives in yesterday's Sunday Times (UK, not NY). Evernote link because paywall

Whatever one thinks of her politics, I think it's very refreshing to have a leading politician -- particularly a Conservative one -- talk so openly about her struggles with depression and self-harming when she was younger, and about her sexuality and her relationship with her fiancée (she's expecting a baby next month).
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Long article by Laurie Penny on why she won't debate with Steve Bannon: No, I Will Not Debate You, in which she unpicks ideas like "sunlight is the best disinfectant" and the value of public debate.
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Long article by Laurie Penny on why she won't debate with Steve Bannon: No, I Will Not Debate You, in which she unpicks ideas like "sunlight is the best disinfectant" and the value of public debate.

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Long article by Laurie Penny on why she won't debate with Steve Bannon: in which she unpicks ideas like "sunlight is the best disinfectant" and the value of public debate.
The less we hear from Laurie Penny, the better. She's just another angry 'activist' who writes a good fight while engaging in ad hominem attacks but who is generally incoherent in her public appearances and offers nothing but a lot of words. She's never produced anything positive or constructive, just the usual far left whining about 'the patriarchy'.
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The less we hear from Laurie Penny, the better. She's just another angry 'activist' who writes a good fight while engaging in ad hominem attacks but who is generally incoherent in her public appearances and offers nothing but a lot of words. She's never produced anything positive or constructive, just the usual far left whining about 'the patriarchy'.
This, in itself, is a good example of an ad hominem attack: "you can safely discount anything Laurie Penny writes because she's Laurie Penny".

Is there, in fact, anything in the article with which you particularly disagree, or do you simply disagree with it on principle, since if Laurie Penny says it, it must be wrong?

I've just checked, and you will be relieved to learn that nowhere in the article does the word "patriarchy" appear. Neither, strangely enough, does it appear anywhere in either of the other two of her articles I particularly remember reading, On the Milo Bus with the Lost Boys Of America’s New Right and My night out in Cleveland with the worst men on the internet .
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This, in itself, is a good example of an ad hominem attack: "you can safely discount anything Laurie Penny writes because she's Laurie Penny".

Is there, in fact, anything in the article with which you particularly disagree, or do you simply disagree with it on principle, since if Laurie Penny says it, it must be wrong?

I've just checked, and you will be relieved to learn that nowhere in the article does the word "patriarchy" appear. Neither, strangely enough, does it appear anywhere in either of the other two of her articles I particularly remember reading .
Agreed, it's an example of an ad hominem attack. It's a bad habit of mine, and one I'm unlikely to break. But unlike Laurie Penny I'm not being paid to write my mean little posts She was the original poster of that remark "I'm okay with this" about the defacement of a war memorial which someone else stupidly ascribed to someone else. Well, I'm not okay with defacing war memorials.

She may not use the term "The Patriarchy" all that often, but she does splatter her articles with reference to "white men" and "powerful white men". I don't know how to post stuff straight from Twitter, but here's one of her latest tweets:
"This week in politics has been hard for survivors of rape, assault and harassment. Remember that we are winning. Gaslighting isn’t working. Patriarchy is backed into a corner and panicking. Cowardly, entitled old men will not be in charge for much longer. A change is coming."

I don't like Laurie Penny's attitudes and opinions in general, but I support The Economist's decision to invite her to speak. I don't like anything about Steve Bannon either, but I also support The Economist's decision to invite him. Avoiding your opponents and writing hit pieces about them which are mostly broadcast to people who already agree with you doesn't really help very much. Arguing directly with your opponents and having the results viewed by a wider audience makes much more sense to me.
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Agreed, it's an example of an ad hominem attack. It's a bad habit of mine, and one I'm unlikely to break. But unlike Laurie Penny I'm not being paid to write my mean little posts She was the original poster of that remark "I'm okay with this" about the defacement of a war memorial which someone else stupidly ascribed to someone else. Well, I'm not okay with defacing war memorials.

She may not use the term "The Patriarchy" all that often, but she does splatter her articles with reference to "white men" and "powerful white men".
You will be relieved to learn that the article to which I pointed nowhere contains any references to "men," let alone ones who are either powerful or white.
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I don't like Laurie Penny's attitudes and opinions in general, but I support The Economist's decision to invite her to speak. I don't like anything about Steve Bannon either, but I also support The Economist's decision to invite him. Avoiding your opponents and writing hit pieces about them which are mostly broadcast to people who already agree with you doesn't really help very much. Arguing directly with your opponents and having the results viewed by a wider audience makes much more sense to me.
Yes, and her article takes issue, quite persuasively, to my mind, with the view you express:
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If we deny racists a platform, they feed off the appearance of censorship, but if we give them a platform, they’ve won by being respectfully invited into the mainstream. Either way, what matters to them is not debate, but attention. There is no perfect choice.

But there is a choice, and this, to my mind, is the sensible one: To refuse to dignify these people with prestigious public platforms, or to share them. To refuse to offer them airtime or engage them in public debate.

Fortunately, we live in a brave new world where real censorship is something that is almost infeasible unless you are extremely rich and venal and have an army of lawyers. If you want to hear what Bannon thinks, you can. Extensively, at many, many websites and forums. If you want to try to tease out and challenge the deeper truth behind far-right ideas, you’re free to do so, although be prepared to be disappointed. You see, the deeper truth is that there is no deeper truth. No hidden nuance. The new right have already shown us exactly who they are. Now the rest of us get to choose who we want to be.

As for me, I can’t dictate who should and should not be allowed to speak, and I wouldn’t want to. But I can make my own choice as a free citizen. So I choose not to debate them. I choose not to treat them with deference they don’t deserve. I am not interested in hearing out the ideas of the far right, because there are no new ideas on the far right. There are only new recruits. And every time progressives sacrifice the public good on the altar of personal purity, there will be more.
It's the same reason, I think, that Richard Dawkins refuses to debate evolution with creationists. While I don't agree with Dawkins about much, I think he's on the right ground there -- there's no point in that kind of debate, since neither side is going to convince the other, and neither are they likely to persuade many of the audience to give up views they've already adopted, either.
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