Quiplash

You use the same SL (or OnRez) client, it's just pointing to a different address. Full details are at:

How to - Get Connected to the Openlife Grid - Getting Started Help - Openlife Grid

Moo Money

I took it to be like what would happen if you had one single profile to represent all of your avatars, much like logging into a server on WoW and seeing a list of chars.

I did it like this:
User name: moomoney (name I use to sign in to my account)
First: Sasha
Last: Rudie
Display name: moo Money (name if I post on forums or go into chat)

Once you tackle that, you can go into the avatar toolbox and create a bunch of avatar names and passwords.

Moo Money

When will we have access to the shiny REX client? Garth Fairchang came into chat and alluded to the fact that earlier users had a special client, but the link he gave didn't work.

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how many alts can we have?
i think we are limited but the web interface doesnt make this clear. it allows you to keep adding, and even shows multiple page links, but the pages dont seen to actually exist.

Jackal Ennui

I suggest Brainfuck, to assure continued domination of the tekki-wikki technocrats over the unwashed masses.

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Quiplash

Latest news. The pioneer land sale ("Foundation Residents") has been postponed.
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G'Day everyone.

So far we're about 80% there to connecting the Avatar Toolbox to the GRID ('Live').

And we're about 45% through linking previous accounts to their new accounts.

Foundation Residents? We're getting there as fast as we can, please note the Avatar Toolbox going live needs to be completed first. But I can patiently say it is still on track for today.

Sakai Openlife"

Tyche Shepherd

....woooh .. no shops , well its not a real world then !!! , oh my I may have to get creative

I kinda like the idea you are using Python for the scripting , learning Python has been on my todo list for a year or so, so this sounds like a great opportunity (but also agree with Mr Ming , Ruby would have been a cool choice)

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Moo Money

So I'm confused. Are we all pawns in a scheme to buy in early as land owners of this grid? Is that why we're all rushing to join?

Allow me to further explain. I thought that by Foundation Resident, it would be like an exclusive little beta club similar to the oldbies of Second Life. From what you are saying now, Foundation Resident seems to mean something similar to a Charter member, when Linden Lab announced a special (limited time) lifetime premium offer before coming out of beta.

From what I see, OLG is still very much in beta. As I explained it to a friend, it seems as if we're on a free trip to Vegas courtesy of a timeshare pitch presentation. However, I don't see any gambling, shows, or liquor. I do believe that the strippers will still be present, though.

I guess what I'm asking is what our purpose is for being there. Are we beta testing? Are we supposed to buy land in order to stay? Do we have to buy land? Will the prices raise after this? Will you be closing access after this "pioneer landgrab" round?

Moo Money

In before Quiplash! The OLG website appears to be down right now...

Tyche Shepherd

Yeah .. that's a good sign .. its just like SecondLife

Quiplash

The site is not even beta; it's alpha, and early alpha at that. Sims will either be privately owned, or community regions of various kinds (e.g. for the German speakers). The community regions will be lsomewhat ike SL sandboxes.

The purpose of all this is to encurage people to build. Already there's quite a lot of building going on in OpenlifeGrid, mainly because Sakai has told people that anyone who builds on a sim gets first opportunity to buy it.

So, you should be aware that nearly all of the 120 sims to be released have already been spoken for by one or more of the first 7,600 peole who joined OLG before the relaunch of the Website. There were still a handful of empty sims available for people to claim, the last time I checked, and of course some builders will decide not to keep the sim they built on. But I doubt it's more than ten right now, and probably zero by the time you read this.

There will be another round of approx. 110 sims going on sale after this first round of 120 is sold, and the Foundation Resident pricing will be avialable for this round as well, which goes as follows (details confirmed by Sakai):

Start-up cost: Zero (yes, that's right. Zilch. Nada.)
Monthly Free: US$75
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Yearly total: US$900

Compare to Second Life:
Initial sale cost: US$1500-$4000 depending on the sim
Monthly Fee: US$195-295 depending if it's mainland or not
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Yearly total: US$3,840-US$7,540 plus cost of Premium account

So now you can see why some people are keenly interested in buying a sim on OpenlifeGrid during the first and second rounds.

Khashai Steinbeck

Mind you, I am not trying to drama up your forum, but I tried openlifegrid before...

Am I actually going to be able to set my home location to a sim that is running 90% of the time? Can I attach prims to myself?
Can I walk from sim to sim and actually expect to get somewhere?

Now about the above, it is not that I am trying to shoot anyone down here. I just think that it should be 'working as advertised' before mass attention is drawn to it. That is to say, if you are going to be making an alternative to SL, it should at least be as stable as SL and with SL's current basic features.

Secondly, while I really like to see that progress is being made, what is the motivation (other than world peace and hugs and flowers) for content creators to actually create anything on openlifegrid?

Beebo Brink

You seem to keep skipping over the "alpha grid" statement that has been repeated over and over again. This is NOT advertised as fullly functional replacement for SL, and you will not get one as stable or with all the features. If this is your criteria for involvement, then this is quite obviously not the grid for you.

For those of us who missed the early stages of SL, however, the appeal of OpenLifeGrid is exactly the fact that it is pioneer territory and that we'll be able to watch a new metaverse taking shape. I'm incredibly excited and eager to take part, and just wish I could afford $75/mo for a sim. But unless I completey dissolved my involvement in SL (which I'm not going to do yet), I can't stretch my play money across two grids.

As for content creation, for many of us the creative process is not tied to making money. This may result in a smaller creative pool, or one with not the full depth of skills that is available in SL, but I would be very suprised if no one pursued that avenue in OpenLifeGrid. I've seen amazing creativity in all walks of RL where people never even recouped the cost of their creative output, but were driven to do it anyway.

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5 minutes in modthesims2 is testament to the fact that insanely talented people will create for something other than financial returns

Wildefire Walcott

Of course this was true of early SL too.

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the website is back up.
new avatars dont seem to be functioning though.

Ray Figtree

This was one of the main reasons I sold my sim. Don't want to be stuck holding something I paid US$2k for when islands are suddenly free for all.

EDIT: Now reading more about openlifeGrid and getting to understand why it will be a while before the SL land market tanks. Thanks for posting all this, Quiplash. It is very educational.

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Cristiano

God I love that site - I have always been amazed at how much incredible content is created for the Sims 2. Even the sites that charge for content generally do it just to cover bandwidth and site costs.

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Parker McTeague

from the mac instructions on that page:
this doesn't make sense. where do you enter that? i assume you're making an alias (equivalent to windows shortcut) but where do you put that extra line, in the file name?

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Joannah Cramer

While true, this argument can be used for literally any programming language out there. Some people won't like Python, some won't like Ruby, some won't touch anything but http://lolcode.com/ etc. It largely boils down to personal preference and tastes, there's good reason the 'language wars' are very similar to 'my religion is better than yours' arguments

LSL is simple for a programmer because it uses basic blocks (functions, variables, data types) similar to any other programming language. Someone with no experience in the field would have first to grasp the whole concept of event-driven state machine to get anywhere; what syntax is then attached to it is largely irrelevant and again mostly up to personal preference imo. Yes, it could be Ruby just like at the moment it's Python. I don't think it actually makes any difference re: accessibility to the common person, but since the code is open source there's nothing that prevents including that functionality down the road.

Joannah Cramer

Unless i misunderstand it, the fee only applies if you want to have a region hosted on external computer managed by openlife... if you have personal computer hooked to the 'net you could alternatively use it to host your own region connected to that grid, entirely for free (although people experience in your region would be limited by your bandwidth etc but then it also applies to external hosts)

Khashai Steinbeck

Yes Beebo, I do realize this is alpha. And as mentioned, I was not trying to bring anyone down by that post, I just want something halfway reliable, or at least one solid sim I can connect to 24/7. I have created an AV on the gird already. I even uploaded a very small amount of content.

Now as for the argument of money. I hear a lot of argument that seems to insinuate that 'wanting money for products is greedy.' You have to see things from my perspective as well: not all of us have money to throw around, so being able to make money off of our products is extremely important.

Now I have not read everything associated with this grid, and for all I know, there are plans in place to be able to generate income. However, even if there is not, someone is going to figure out a way. Even when I first signed into Activeworlds back in '97, there was a small handful of people making money on custom Renderware models.

$75/month is much, much cheaper than sim ownership on the main grid, and I am also going to assume that land will have a cost as well. What about Linden Dollars? I am assuming they will still be present?

As for the excitement of being a part of something new. There is no denying that it is there. I was in SL's beta for (whoopity-doo) 2 days, but limited broadband in my area prevented me from taking part in the whole of it (to which I am very regretful).

I will be taking part in OLG, but on a more limited basis than SL itself at first. That will no doubt change as OLG becomes more stable, and more features are introduced to make me log into it more, but at the moment, I have to keep the majority of my time centered on what I have been working towards in SL. True, at the moment, SL is not making me any money, but I have spent the better part of a solid year on the products I am trying to sell now, and I cannot abandon them, although I may try to redesign a couple of them in OLG, for shits and giggles.

So yeah, don't get me wrong, I am just as excited as everyone else about openlifegrid, but I want to approach it cautiously, and not abandon my efforts on the main grid at this time.

Joannah Cramer

Would expect rather the currency system to be hooked up with one's Paypal account or something similar. There just isn't any real benefit to L$ on grid not associated with LL (and little if any feasibility) as you can't expect any currency trader to "trust" balance statements coming from such external unverified source, plus you can't simply buy stuff from LindeX and have it put in your openlife account etc.

Lordfly Digeridoo

I still can't connect. I signed up late last night, is this part of the "we're migrating new users over, lol?" thing on the website?

I'm so bloody confused.

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Walker

I wish I could download the latest simulator software. It drives me nuts when it keeps stopping at 6MB. I don't suppose anybody here knows an alternative download location for version 0.5 rev r3274 ?