Imnotgoing Sideways

The login screen was set up to spam a site.

The DDOS was the result of ignorance and exhaustion.

The initial reporter of the DDOS (The site owner being "attacked") embellished, at best.

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Velvet Bikcin

>sigh<

I'm out.

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Sione

That's bullshit. The initial reporter was Satomi Ahn.

Imnotgoing Sideways

The lab was more involved than you'd imagine. There's a direct connection here between EMKDU, Onyx, and Woodbury's ban.

Imnotgoing Sideways

Source.

... Then Satomi's source.

Sione

Yeah sure I have the Emerald forum backed up on my hard drive give me a sec.

Satomi's source was the SOURCE code on the login page when it was still there.

Masami Kuramoto

I remember some die-hard fanboys claiming that the videos were fake, fabricated by "haters".

Now they're only "grossly misinterpreted". I see some progress here.

phafu

Since the question was a yes/no question, it was hard to understand your words. But after looking good, I think maybe I found it?

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Imnotgoing Sideways

I never claimed any videos were any kind of fake.

At a loss for a better term, it was a "negligent" act. To say "yes" would ignore that fact. To say "no" would be utter fantasy.

Velvet Bikcin

Against my better judgement, I'll try again. So you will agree that a DDOS occured, and the Emerald viewer was the tool used to do it?

Imnotgoing Sideways

Of course it happened. That's a matter of proven and documented fact.

The matter of why and how it happened has been falsified through manipulative usage of careless conversation.

Velvet Bikcin

I'll take that as a yes.

Would you agree that a DDOS is an illegal act?

Imnotgoing Sideways

Also, just got this. Take it with a grain of salt, but, the sender claims it's Oz Linden. If true, it would put an interesting twist in the conditions of Emerald's ban.

http://www.darkly-cute.com/sounds/Oz%20Linden.mp3

It's a collection of separate clips, so, I can't ensure it hasn't been manipulated.

But, to speak about lost trust yet still log in to Second Life... Well...

Imnotgoing Sideways

That, I don't know. Never actually studied law or bothered to read any legal documents regarding DDOS.

Velvet Bikcin

Fair enough, would you agree that using the resources of thousands of people without their knowledge or consent to launch a DDOS attack against a rival is unethical?

Imnotgoing Sideways

If on purpose and with malice, yes.

If by the result of ignorance, no.



To kill someone while driving drunk: unethical.

To kill someone after falling asleep behind the wheel: not quite ethical, but, not unethical.

Imnotgoing Sideways

Would you agree that a corporate entity of possibly 60,000 concurrent daily customers actively concealed pertinent security information is unethical?

If so, who do you trust?

Elysium Hynes

So you are telling us he had no idea what he was doing? He didnīt know what the code he put in the login page was doing?

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Sione

Immy has ignorance confused with ARROGANCE

Joshua Nightshade

Libsl was done by someone else entirely. OpenSim uses the libsl stuff, but it's basically a plugin. The OpenSim developers had nothing to do with the development of libsl however, and that happened before OpenSim existed.

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Joshua Nightshade

Libsl isn't a reverse engineering in the first place.

Secondly, the OpenSim developers had nothing to do with libsl's development. It happened a long time before OpenSim came around.

Velvet Bikcin

Expecting ethical behaviour from a company is a prescription for an ulcer.

I have a legal relationship with the Lab, a contract which they presented, and I agreed to. If they breach that agreement, I have a legal recourse I can follow in the courts, the Lab also has insurance which can cover my losses in case of their negligence.

When it comes to TPV's, this is where the word "trust" comes into play, and where Emerald failied because of people like Frac, and why Avination is under the microscope in this thread.

The MP3 you put up tells me nothing other than Oz was supportive of the Emerald developers. Every single company on the planet has things they don't want the public to know. The bookstore I go to on the corner doesn't want me to know that they get grey market US versions of books in so they can pocket an extra couple of bucks. The hotel I run has maintenance issues I don't want the public to know about. Oz saying the Lab has things they don't want made public tells me nothing.

I'm not asking you to question your loyalty to a friend. I'm asking you to understand that it's very difficult to have trust restored, simply because you wink at us and tell us there are things we don't know.

Joshua Nightshade

The nail in the coffin was the denial of service attack.

And, no, it was not "lol I left this link in and TOTALLY forgot about it, oopsie!" He acknowledged that it was a retaliatory attack against a critic, and he defended that retaliatory attack the same way you're doing: he was a copybotter, so what?

The so what is that it was wrong, and it's wrong whether Hazim stole the entirety of SL or not.

Everything else you keep bringing up is irrelevant.

Joshua Nightshade

Not your fucking friend.

Elysium Hynes

Ok iīm gonna ask this directly Immy is Fractured still in SL? Does he have an active account?