feelingappletree

Yesterday night ，people in HiPiHi held a protest meeting to call out that chinese bronze rat head and rabbit head sculptures should return to China。
Bronze rabbit and rat head were made for the Zodiac fountain of the Emperor Qianlong's Summer Palace in China。So it belongs to China。
some people in HiPiHi came together holding the signs which wrote “reject action”and “return the animal-head sculpture”，they said France didnot have the right of auction。
The animal-head sculpture are chinese looted relics，they hope those can return to China finally。

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feelingappletree

some video about yesterday ，i donot know how to put out video，anyone who can tell me？

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Jellin Pico

2 questions


1 When were they 'Taken'?

2. in that first picture, that guy in the middle? WTH is with his skin? His head and hands are really red. Is that normal quality is hipipihi?

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feelingappletree

do you stand for the animal-head sculpture return to China or they should be auction？

Jellin Pico

I'll ask again, when, and I'll add, under what circumstances were they taken?

Then I'll answer

feelingappletree

1.the year of 1900，Burning of the Imperial Palace
2、she wear a wig ，because she is a baldhead

Jellin Pico

Sorry, I think grudges should be dropped after 6 months. Going on about who did what to whom, or so-and-so took this or that 109 years ago does anyone any good.

I also googled it up and it seems the high bidder was a Chinese guy who was bidding to return them but pulled out and refused to pay.

From that I come to the opinion this is now a contrived situation to deliberately embarrass the French



Also, wearing a wig turns your head and hands red? Maybe you mean the Mohawk. no, the other guy

feelingappletree

Regardless of wether it is a contrived situation or not，it is chinese government's bussiness. But the people in HiPiHi are just represent themselves to reject the acution.
After all ,the fact of they belong to China is ture.
we were sad about the burning of yuanmingyuan，now we were sad again to hear that they auctioned the things which they took from China in that accident！

feelingappletree

so you recognize me ?yes ,you are right, i am a Mohawk! you are so smart!congratulations!

Joshua Nightshade

Khamudy

I'm all for the return of artefacts during the course of diplomacy, as happens on an occasional basis (such as the returning of a number of First Nation items to various tribes in America and Canada that happened a number of years ago from the UK), however these sorts of demands are usually manufactured controversies to push a nationalistic agenda or deflect attention away from other issues.

Plus I hope the irony isn't lost that it was the same government in China that not too many years ago was conducting a systematic campaign of destruction against the same sorts of objects - or indeed anything - relating to the "old ways", a scale of such widespread looting and destruction almost entirely unmatched in human history. In Tibet alone 6,000 monasteries had their libraries burned to the ground and were then themselves utterly flattened. The same happened to old mosques in Western China and places like the King of Dai's palace were burned to the ground by government troops and the cenotaph of Genghis Khan was obliterated and many of its treasures and relics were smashed and burned.

The Chinese government is really not in a position to criticise France for having a few bronze statues.

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feelingappletree

so you think ：because the government in China burn Tibet's librabies ， so the normal chinese people have no reason to call out the bronze back？

Joshua Nightshade

feelingappletree

Khamudy

Well given the fact that it was the ordinary people who largely carried out the Cultural Revolution under government influence, but this is perhaps a controversial view, since current thinking is to minimise and understate the damage that was done. However, given the nature of Chinese officialdom that was exposed during the Olympics, it is extremely hard not to be cynical of anything presented as being "grass roots", simply because the government is very good at silencing things it does not want people to see.

This just seems like a manufactured controversy; if they really wanted the objects back, they could put together a bid, petition the Chinese government to put together a bid or even attempt to make a diplomatic mission to negotiate for the return.

It is also interesting that this becomes such an issue not so long after the French government received the Dalai Lama. It just seems like another way to bully the French government and stir up anti-French sentiment.

Brenda Archer

This is certainly very interesting from a virtual world point of view. Thank you feelingapple tree

One of most interesting protests I ever went to in Second Life was against the Front National office in SL. The mood of the office was obnoxiously fascist and I kept hoping it was not official, although what I've heard of the party seems to fit.

feelingappletree

so will you come to join us ，dear baby？

feelingappletree

wow，maybe you have some defferent idea about our government。but neglect considering of the government，just think it as a residents themselves helding meeting，will you join us？baby？

Aodhan McDunnough

They have all the right to call for the return of the items. But from a global perspective the damage wrought by China on others and their own citizens has put the Chinese government in a very bad bargaining position diplomatically for things like those. China has a good position to bargain economically but a very bad one for cultural bargaining.

For the record: I'm Chinese and I can understand the positions of both parties involved.

My assessment, a return is not going to happen unless the French out of the goodness in their hearts decide to do so.

Vialli Rossini

These artifacts are in the possession of a private collector (the late Yves Saint Laurent's partner I believe). The two bronzes were bought by YSL for his own personal collection. Some can argue that the posession of the bronzes is in effect being in possession of stolen goods however the actual history of how the bronzes were removed from China, by whom and under what circumstances is a matter of debate and by no means clear. This can be said for countless artifacts worldwide displaced due to known and unknown circumstances. If the Chinese Government are at all serious about the value of these bronzes to Chinese Culture then surely they would have either bought them at auction or attempted to purchase or acquire (legally) from any of the countless owners who had the Rabbit and Rat heads in their possesion since 1860.
Perhaps the demonstrators should be more vociferous against their own powers that be rather than an auction house in France.

Cincia Singh

I don't believe in the "return of artifacts" unless recently stolen (statute of limitations) because, in the end, they aren't being requested for "cultural reasons" they're being demanded by despots who want to loot around the world to feather their own coffers with loot. History is history. Move on.

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*shakes her head*

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Brenda Archer

Unfortunately, my computer isn't up to such things anymore.

Evo Mubble

you can have the stupid heads back in exchange for freeing The Chinese looted Tibet.

Oh.... wait... we sold the heads for scrap metal... sorry.

io Kukulcan

You should have another 'Boxer Rebellion'.