Lecktor Hannibal

Fine Joshua.

Joshua Nightshade

You obviously disagree, so please, elucidate for me. Because I know from a technical perspective if SI is causing stability issues it's his fault, not SI's. You keep saying there's more to things, so, let me know what more.

Dawny Cinquetti Daviau

The main reason for it to be disabled was that everyone knew when uploading something and it had scripts inside it it would automaticly try to run it, would crashes a sim. And it didnt stop them for doing it on every available sim! They simply hop from sim to another sim and have no respect to wait for the fix from SI.
In the meantime while it is disabled Sakai can work on his server to try to fix it too. It brings more time and effort in fixing the crashed sim online than to try to fix the server so it would work as it should work again.
And the fault of SI is that it runs automaticly a script when uploading. Thats why KirstenLee and SI are talking about a fix.

That might not be a justifiable reason but it is a logical reaction to the use of all those SI users with no respect knowing they can crash a sim!

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Lecktor Hannibal

I don't know what was going on server side but there were issues in SI (which is essentially a viewer) that was causing some disfunctionality. The fact that SI is communicating directly with Kirstenlee seems to indicate that there are changes needed in the code. I'm no techie in that department so I can't elucidate beyond that. As far as more to come, I'm referring to improvements and upgrades in the pipe for OLG as a whole.

Lecktor Hannibal

Thanks Dawny.

Joshua Nightshade

One, SI restores scripts in a non-running form for as long as I've used the program. They have to be restarted manually by the person outside of SI.

Second, that is no explanation for why it would cause a problem. You're saying that the OLG servers can't handle the script started by SI, but can run it when it's started by a person? That makes absolutely no sense.

It also doesn't take more work to restart sims either. You restart the sim. Unless there was a database corruption (extremely unlikely from a sim crashing) then it's as easy as restarting the program.

I have used SI to restore complicated scripts in my own sims. They start non-running, and I've never had a sim crash because of SI before. This involves restoring several thousand prim builds with hundreds of textures and scripts. Never has SI caused my hardware to fail.

I would sure as god hope that OLG is running on something more robust than my personal computer.

If this is more of Sakai's stuff then it's still not a rationale. Let me reiterate again for those at home that Sakai IS NOT A CODER and has ABSOLUTELY NO PROGRAMMING ABILITY, so whatever reasoning he's passing around to you guys is already going to be second hand from whoever explained it to him.

Joshua Nightshade

This is the closest I can find validating the above:

Second Inventory Forum • View topic - Second Inventory crashes Opensim script engine

0002643: all scripts using at least one event stop working the first time second inventory is run in any region of the sim - Mantis

Which is about two months old and the starts-not-running fix was put in after that (I guess I hadn't tried uploading scripts beforehand.)

But as Angelo points out, that's an Opensim bug. It's still a hollow justification on banning SI, nor would it appear that Sakai made any attempt to get this cleared up until people started asking Angelo why SI was banned on OLG.

Dawny Cinquetti Daviau

Ok Im not technical here. I can say that 9 out of 10 scripts are not working in OL! They can crash a sim. So I respect that and dont use scripts.
What Sakai is running Ol on I dont know and dont care. Fact is that when someone ask me to do something not yet because there are problems I will follow that. The reason why it is crashing sims I dont know All I know that it crashes. I dont care who's fault it is, its happening and if its sakai's fault then he have in my opinion a good reason to stop users for using SI untill there is a fix! I have never crashed a sim but then again I have never uploaded a scripted object too Fot Sakai not to have skills I do know he is not alone there working on Ol.

Joshua Nightshade

LSL is partially supported in Opensim. There are many other (better) languages that are 100% supported in the scripting engine of Opensim and have been from very early on.

It's one thing to say "Please do/don't do this for this reason" and quite another to make something up, blame someone else, instead of communicating honestly about the issue.

And there's nothing at all wrong with questioning and challenging that. He's running a service, not starting a cult. The sycophancy around people getting mad when anyone says anything bad about OLG is worrying, and is going to bite everyone in the ass badly.

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Boy Lane

Thanks Dawny, that is some valuable info. I'm still puzzled why nobody can share that in the OLG forums. Not before and not even now. It would have explained a bit and let people look reasonable at things. Now a lot of damage is done.

It is still not at all a reason to lock out other viewers.

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Joshua Nightshade

Exactly. It took me a second to check Opensim/Second Inventory and find out that oh, maybe there is something legitimate.

Why the need for state secrets?

Dawny Cinquetti Daviau

Hmm maybe you dont know this guys and girls but I try to stay away as much as possible from forums with posts like this. I think everyone is intitled to their opinion. It is also possible that I have inside information which should stay inside! Therefore my posts will be limited regarding Ol and be just informal and for fun etc. I am also affraid people would start to me as a spokesman for Ol which Im not.
I cant explain why there is no information about it in the OLG forum. Its is a well known issue around the grid in Ol, so maybe not enough people use SI to know it?

About the viewers I simply cant say anything about that. The answer lies with Sakai.

Joshua Nightshade

Your "inside" ends with Sakai. I guarantee you it's not deeper than the ones the rest of us have access to.

Dawny Cinquetti Daviau

All I meant with that is that I can see KirstenLee do things or overhear things that I cant speak of! That should stay inside my house

Joshua Nightshade

And KirstenLee's inside ends with Sakai too.

I know how annoying it is being made a spokesperson for something when people interpret my opinions as Adam's or the rest of the Opensim team. I am, however, very specific in how I phrase what I say because of that.

Boy Lane

Dawny, as nobody dares to post that in OLG I copied what you wrote in there without mentioning your name. Hope that it's ok as it is now public info.

Dawny Cinquetti Daviau

It is ok for you to have posted that. As I have done that here it is public information!
If I wasnt ok with that I shouldnt have posted it at all!

Captain Howdy

It's Sakai's grid to do with as he pleases. If anyone doesnt like it, they can start their own grid.
Sound familiar?

Joshua Nightshade

Invalid.

Boy Lane

It's really going down the drain now. Despite almost desperate insisting of "key players" that there is no moderator it is confirmed that someone deletes postings and threads in the OLG forum. One of my last postings was removed in such a lame way that the same posting was left intact as quote in one reply. And another complete thread that raised concerns about exactly that topic of disappearing postings disappeared itself. Who needs more proof? Well, given the statements that only Sakai is able to "moderate" the forum, there are only two possibilities now. Either there is indeed a forum ghost (who believes in software bugs selectively deleting posts? *laughs*), or and most probably, Sakai actively censors postings he doesn't like. I can only say well done. The self-digged grave just became another inch deeper.

P.S. He just confirmed this together with a pathetic excuse and more than lame accusation:
/me shakes her head

Lecktor Hannibal

Uhm yeah, good luck with that inspector gadget. Seriously, walk the fuck away? You're boring.

Boy Lane

Wrong thread or on drugs Lecktor? What is an inspector gadget and what is your point in posting here? Insulting people? I could understand if you were pissed or in other ways out of control. As long as it is followed by an apology.

It's amazing to what level people can fall when arguments run out. Pure aggressiveness. I suggest YOU keep that in your elitist OLG wonderworld. In the end you guys do nothing but damaging yourselves. Congratulations

Lecktor Hannibal

LOL

Joshua Nightshade

Everything else aside, accusing someone of using alts on the forum because they're levying criticism is a pretty serious accusation, and pretty serious disclosure. LL has never connected alt accounts together before, and not even Cristiano has called people out for using alts (despite some of our requests that he do so )

Frank Corsi disclosed less than that against someone who criticized him and he was raked for it.

Not to mention that Boy and I have fought frequently and that doesn't seem to be his style, so I think it's a juvenile accusation at that. But to make it, and say that was the justification behind removing criticism, is pretty appalling.

Sakai makes himself, and by extension OLG, look bad with every action.