Prad Prathivi

They don't own their own servers. DocWes tried to contact the hosting company to check their legitimacy, and LCO management found out about it, and disabled his account.

Lovely people, they are.

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Briana Dawson

I hung out a few times with a LaLa back when i had my mall sims. She was cool, and she had her own sim. She was also a black avatar, which was uber rare in 04.

omg, i just checked her profile in-world...i think they are the same people.

Prad Prathivi

LCO claim that they're tough on content theft and tackle it hard, which is contrary to what I've been hearing.. I've done an article on IP rights and Opensims which is linked somewhere in this thread. It's a pretty messy issue, and I'm not sure there's a precedent on it yet.

Joshua Nightshade

I'm reticent to believe anything Prokofy says at face value.

Sure enough there's a comment by Lala buried in the blog entry.



Second Thoughts: SL Legend Simone Locked Out of Legend City Online

Hello

After attempting to contact Simone, I feel it prudent to respond to something that is so far off the beat and path that I just needed say "something". As I left a message with Simone, I stated how disappointed I was that she would allow the writer of this blog (her friend) to say such things when her and I have been friends for some years. Never a squabble nor a quib between us and due to her not being able to pay her tier I am now some victim of someone's hearsay? Moreover implications of theft with her content? Thats a bit much for the cost of tier that is due me. To be correct I rather post this per our convos:

SKYPE - Prior to her moving in-

[11/11/2008 11:21:57 AM] simmylou says: sweetie what are your rates for land use
[11/11/2008 11:24:07 AM] Legend City says: we have open space sims $25 (just like sl with same limits), traditional regions 20k prims with mega prim usage, private MiG
[11/11/2008 11:24:11 AM] Legend City says: Legend City Metaverse Online

That would be the intent on billing there - so that shouldnt be an issue.

Furthermore, I personally spoke to Simone in our Live Chat and here is that convo:

Please see the following links - i was going to copy/paste

Simone

All I can honestly say is that Simone has dodged my RL Phone Calls, my inquiries in SL, and I think that this blog is bullcrap and is extremely slanderous.

1. TRU Textures had presence in LCO waaay before a Simone made her way to the community.

2. Asri Falcone was not brought BY SIMONE or pioneered through efforts of Simone. lol this is rediculous. Asri is a staff member of Legend City and might I add ALSO was a friend of Simone Stern!

3. Linden Lab Research Locks accounts after 7 days of non payment and who the hell are you to tell me how to deal with my accounts? The fact is Simone stated she COULDNT AFFORD to get sims right away so I compensated her for 2 (TWO) FULL $100 Regions for 1 month. When that month came due she received a billing invoice just like everyone else. A week or so afterwards, she contacts live chat stating she STILL couldnt pay but intends to do so? OH BUT WAIT?! DOES THIS SOUND LIKE IM GOING ASTRAY FROM THE IMAGINARY "DEAL" YOU HAVE ME IN HERE IN THIS BLOG?...Give me a small break with this crap. I havent cheated her nor anyone else and I dont steal.

4. Wait I also, need to say that I havent sold 5000 sims in a manner of anything...we have about 350 sims and before she came we had about 330. Most of which are visitors from other worlds.

I feel this is just pretty sad and to see our friendship go thru such an extreme is just wrong.

I would ask that the writer of this blog please be astute enough to have your facts straight before you post fabrications about my company.

Ordinal Malaprop

Well, to do that, they would have to have not opened the client, and, really, conducted some weird obfuscation as well, since people have been able to reverse-engineer WoW grids even with a closed client.

Ordinal Malaprop

Well, I bet that's true, then.

Joshua Nightshade

Why is Prokofy speaking for Simone now?

Nothing Prokofy says is 100% true, even if it's intended to be. It's filtered through sixteen layers of hyperbole and ridicule before it falls out onto the internet.

I'm more inclined to believe almost anyone else before Prokofy. Yet again, why is Prokofy addressing people on this issue? Where's Simone's blog entry?

Lala has a much better reputation than Prokofy does. I've met Simone in person a few times and have always found her to be reasonable, so I don't think having Prok regurgitate rage on this issue helps her any.

Briana Dawson

Is Prokofy known for not reporting the truth?

Chip Midnight

Prok really can't be trusted to be objective or impartial with the he said/she said aspects, and definitely can't be trusted when assuming other people's motivations. That usually veers off into crazytown. Lala's claims that the account is on hold currently due to unpaid tier is entirely reasonable (though posting chat logs was a really ill-considered move). Beyond that I think the overarching issues Prok raised are valid, and concerns I agree with.

Tya

could you all imagine what would happen if LL posted our chat logs?

I have no desire to go to LCO. I did until i saw that chat log. Nice to know anything you say or ask them etc.. can be publicly posted for the metaverse to see. I can see user to user chat logs being posted, happens all the time. A company needs to respect the privacy of their clients.

Joshua Nightshade

Don't get me wrong, I hate all the commercial grids. My point was I really really doubt taking anything Prokofy says without thorough examination into the side she's attacking.

There's obviously a lot more to this than Prokofy framed or allowed, whether that was her own hyperbole or something Simone did because she was pissed off.

jauani

second life is 2003 was trust worthy.

Lordfly Digeridoo

Would it help if I have independent confirmation from someone that isn't Prokofy? IE, another friend?

Just because it's Prok doesn't mean it's a lie, slanderous horrible violent lie.

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Joshua Nightshade

I would rather Simone herself say something. Why are all these people speaking for Simone?

Chip Midnight

Not a chance. Even way back in the beginning when Lindens posted in the forums all the time they were always way more careful than that. The only thing you can really accuse LL of being loose lipped about is cool new coming soon features that then vanish into the ether.

Ordinal Malaprop

"Lala", whoever that is, has no reputation with me and has thoroughly stitched herself up in the comments, assuming that it isn't all some appalling conspiracy. Which let us face it is not the case.

Joshua Nightshade

I don't really know if I agree with this chatlog business. Everyone's drawing and quartering Lala, and that's like going to be the one thing that shows there's a different facet to this story than "I was told I could have two sims free indefinitely, and she lied to me!"

I mean how else are you going to expect Lala to say and prove that wasn't the case when neither of them have any contracts stating otherwise?

It looks like everyone's bitching over the publication of the chatlogs themselves, not their content. The chatlogs didn't take place inside Legend City, and both Lala and Simone said that they were good friends with one another prior to this happening. It's not like this was a random customer.

So how do you expect Lala to defend herself against Prokofy's (not Simone's, incidentally) accusations, without publishing some information that's not public somewhere?

Ordinal Malaprop

Let's face it, it was just a matter of time before the first Proper Opensim Drama took place. Actually it is best that it has happened this early.

Lordfly Digeridoo

Behold, the POD people.

Cristiano

LaLa does have a great reputation with many long standing SL residents, myself included. I have known her since 2004. This is a dispute about Simone not paying for service and being locked out. It is hardly some appalling conspiracy.

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Charlotte Bartlett

Not to me, I am not interested in the dispute. Only interested in how grid 's conduct themselves. Unless it was a fake Lala on that blog, my interest is satisfied. But thanks

Joshua Nightshade

OLG is worse in a lot of ways. Sakai has more clout and better tact than Frank Corsi so he doesn't come off completely crazy, but to those who actually know anything about Opensim's development his claims of being the first to create insert content here are just as frustrating.

I know I'm personally getting tired reading discussions where he claims to be employed by realXtend, where he claims to employ realXtend, where he claims to be a part of the Opensim project, or a core developer, or an ex-core developer who was kicked off because the Opensim team is jealouz of him, where he claims to have invented or contributed insert X feature here, on and on and on. There's a reason Open Life Grid's features have dried up and vanished of late. It's because Opensim and realXtend are still working on them and Sakai was too generous with his promises.

Sakai is not a programmer. Sakai has no programming experience. He is very much only a businessman. I can script better than Sakai, which is to say, not at all. Yet I read him in these discussions on his forum and at his town hall meetings and I get bewildered.

Sakai is smarter than Frank Corsi, and more cunning, but at the end of the day I'm not seeing much difference between his grid and Central Grid. And I'm personally getting really irate with him continuing to take responsibility for things he never even touched.

Ordinal Malaprop

I have never heard of LaLa, and it isn't a dispute about Simone's payment as far as I can see - it is a dispute about the disbursement of assets uploaded, which LaLa seems to think she has full rights to.

Cristiano

What would help is to have confirmation from Simone and LaLa, not uninvolved third parties.

Cristiano

It is a dispute about unpaid tier on 2 sims, which caused Simone to be locked out. Her content will be removed after 30 days. There is nothing unusual here that is not done by LL as well. If you don't pay for your service, you get locked out, and then eventually it gets deleted.