Joshua Nightshade

And yes, if you do anything on a third party grid, the owner of that server has access to everything you do. Just like in SL. And you don't even need to be a Linden to steal someone else's textures in SL, or their entire builds.

If I own a server for webhosting and agree to give a friend of mine some space so they can host their website, I can still see, delete, move, rename, whatever all the files in that directory. It's *my* server. I maintain ultimate control over it. There's no difference between that analogy and using space on a third party grid. I would imagine if I agreed to give a friend space, and then my friend found me deleting entries on their blog I didn't like, they would say "WTF and go somewhere else." If you don't trust the grid, don't use it. Go somewhere else that you trust your time with, or stay in SL. Nobody needs to migrate anywhere today.

MadamG Zagato

Didn't I just say that? I need to cut back on the Tylenol or something.

Briar Bing

Agreed.

It would be pretty foolish to go into a new grid expecting things to be just like SL and without a weather eye. Anyone who would just go in and dump their content, scripts, or what have you, into it, without checking things out for a while, needs to have their head examined. Further, not everyone is concerned about their stuff getting out into the wild.

What it comes down to is personal experience and feelings drawn from them. It's great if people are skeptical. What I find a bit annoying is the constant repetition about how terrible these grids are. It's almost as if people are trying to actively discourage others.

The day is going to come where all sorts of people have grids of all sorts. So I don't see what all the fuss is about - especially when a lot of those doing the most fussing are seemingly always towards the front of the line when it comes to banging on LL.

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MadamG Zagato

I personally am not discouraging others from using anything. I just don't think some unsuspecting residents who zoom over and sign up understand what they are signing up for. It is something that had not been addressed (as far as I have read LOL).

But apparently I don't know anything, am a stupid chick, or are otherwise clueless and my comments need to be validated by others who know it all to mean anything.

Night

MadamG Zagato

Ten

Stop that.

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Briar Bing

Goodness.

Well, I won't bother with an in depth reply, since you are taking things personally and venturing into accusations of sexism.

I'll just say that I wasn't referring to you in my reply to Joshua, and that this is the first I have seen you talk about it, so I wasn't referring to you when I said "repetitive".

Also, if you're going to insinuate that you think that someone thinks you're clueless, you really shouldn't treat these "unsuspecting residents" as if they were clueless.

MadamG Zagato

Who said I was referring to you?
Perhaps I should have made a separate post for the last bit.

Gigs

Well it's part marketing. These alternative grids are quick to market themselves as drop in Second Life replacements, but the software is pretty far from that point.

On top of that, the goal of the Open Grid (in general) isn't the same as Second Life. You can't pretend your textures or geometry or script bytecodes are protected anymore. They never were really, but SL gave you an illusion that is going to be pretty quickly broken as soon as you hit reality.

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Briar Bing

Making separate posts (like my response to Joshua) doesn't seem to guarantee that people won't take things personally.

MadamG Zagato

ok

Joshua Nightshade

Fixed.

Briar Bing

Replacements or alternatives?

Joshua Nightshade

Several of them are most assuredly promoting themselves as replacements to SL. Fucking Sakai.

Briar Bing

Well, then that is stupid.

Gigs

I think that's really beside the point. Every BSD licensed project has oodles of commercial forks that don't even talk to the original devs. It's one of the downsides of the BSD license.

Joshua Nightshade

This is besides the point.

Tya

/chants *die thread die* repeatedly

Gigs

Then what is your point?

And how big is your point, also?

Io Zeno

Who cares.

Briar Bing

MadamG Zagato

That banner on the official forums is long overdue for a makeover.

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Joshua Nightshade

My point was that the claims of the third party grids are done without the involvement of the people who develop the software.

That's got absolutely nothing to do with the license. If Opensim was GPL, people could still say 'LOOK, OUR SIMS GIVE YOU 45K PRIMS AND 100% STABILITY AND FREE BLOWJOBS AT LOGIN!!'

The license is irrelevant, it was just another episode of Gigs the GPL Zealot bashing the BSD.

The only downside I see with a license that's essentially "public domain, just give us credit somewhere" is that they can't restrict the assholes that abuse their offerings.

Brenda Archer

Chaos, madness and anarchy.

It's not all bad.

Ordinal Malaprop

I agree on both counts. I am reasonably familiar now with the system and while there are lots of terrific things it can do, replacing SL is not one of them. Yet we have all these people who seem to be using it simply as a step up from being an estate owner - "oh hey I can run my own _grid_ now not just a few sims and no Linden can ban me" - rather than as something else entirely that is based on an existing protocol.

I'm fairly confident, though, that we will soon have opensim grids which are there for other reasons than to try to be SL-a-likes. That is just lack of imagination.