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Briana Dawson · 12-28-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lewis Luminos

Two questions:
1) Isn't Legend City the one that was a spin-off of Central Grid?
2) Isn't Central Grid the one that closed after a lot of drama about it being a scam?

Well, that is what i thought, but when i came back to SLU, i saw this "Legend City Online Roll Call" and everyone was jumping on board and it seemed all that had once been Central Grid that had become LCO had been absolved of any past misdeeds.

And why does the name LaLa Xevious sound so familiar to me...

Aki Shichiroji · 12-28-2008, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lewis Luminos

Two questions:
1) Isn't Legend City the one that was a spin-off of Central Grid?
2) Isn't Central Grid the one that closed after a lot of drama about it being a scam?

Yup. The very same.
RIP Central Grid - Legend City Online Has Been Born!

Chip Midnight · 12-28-2008, 03:49 PM

For once I actually agree with Prok 100%. If anyone needs me I'll be on the ledge contemplating jumping. This is clearly a sign of the apocalypse.

**Io Zeno** · 12-28-2008, 03:51 PM

I could never take anyone named LaLa seriously, anyway.

Lo Jacobs · 12-28-2008, 03:53 PM

I feel like there is more to this story. It's hard to read Prokofy when everything is so aggressively editorialized.

**Io Zeno** · 12-28-2008, 03:55 PM

Still, she kinda sums up how I feel about this here:

Quote:

Imagine being so stupid as to risk the reputation of your fledgling world by being such an ass as to lock a free content giver who helped sell your sims and who adds lustre to your world. I don't care WHAT your disagreement is -- I'm not getting this.

Me, either. Did she think she could get away with this?

Lucifer Baphomet · 12-28-2008, 03:58 PM

Metaversally Speaking.. » Why LCO is doomed to fail

Looks like similar has happened before over there

**Envoy Costagravas** · 12-28-2008, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Io Zeno

I could never take anyone named LaLa seriously, anyway.

Why u h8n on LaLa?

Chip Midnight · 12-28-2008, 04:00 PM

I'm sure there is more to this story, but it brings to light the issue of being able to trust third party grid operators when it comes to honoring and protecting intellectual property rights. I think Linden Lab has been incredibly foolish to allow these copycat grids to spring up and operate without any contractual obligations to LL with respect to honoring a consistent set of rules and laws. In my opinion LL should never have allowed things to go this far. It should have been set up as a license system. Want to run an SL compatible grid? Great, sign here. if you don't operate up to our standards we reserve the right to shut you down at any time. Now not only are these third party grids competing against LL's biggest income source, they're eroding trust in the entire platform. Silly idealists.

Lucifer Baphomet · 12-28-2008, 04:00 PM

Metaversally Speaking.. » Content Theft: The worst is still to come?

The more I surf.. the more I'm seeing

Phoenix Psaltery · 12-28-2008, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Briana Dawson

This is the first thing from Prokofy i have ~ever~ read.

It was not as painful as everyone says.

Trust me, this was atypically rational.

P2

CoyoteMomiji · 12-28-2008, 04:13 PM

Yes, this was a rare moment of lucidity from Prokofy, Briana.

**Envoy Costagravas** · 12-28-2008, 04:16 PM

Nonetheless, the Verbosity switch is still Super-Glued in the ON position.

Malachi · 12-28-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by LCO license

2. It will further be the responsibility of said content creator to provide proof of ownership and copyright and/or intellectual property registration. Without this information, your content may be unprotected.

In other words, if you didn't formally register your content (all of it) at the copyright office, you're SOL. Sorry.

IANAL, but I think it impossible to waive copyright without formal transfer of rights. Not that will likely help any as in most virtual world disputes the losses are too small to warrant adjudication.

(gah, this is SLU, I should be careful with acronyms - "I Am Not A Lawyer" has nothing to do with butt secks)

Lucifer Baphomet · 12-28-2008, 04:19 PM

THE FUTURE OF THE METAVERSE HAS ARRIVED

Announcing an Exiting New World

Chip Midnight · 12-28-2008, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malachi

IANAL, but I think it impossible to waive copyright without formal transfer of rights. Not that will likely help any as in most virtual world disputes the losses are too small to warrant adjudication.

(gah, this is SLU, I should be careful with acronyms - "I Am Not A Lawyer" has nothing to do with butt secks)

They'd be bound by the laws where they operate, but that doesn't do anything to prevent the risk that a given third party grid may turn out to be fly by night or uninterested in enforcing the laws within their grids.

Prad Prathivi · 12-28-2008, 04:39 PM

Metaversally Speaking - Legend City Online: The End?

FFS, I'm agreeing with Prokofy on yet another issue.. I feel like the Anti-Christ.

Lucifer Baphomet · 12-28-2008, 04:42 PM

BTW.. good blog Prad

Wildefire Walcott · 12-28-2008, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Briana Dawson

This is the first thing from Prokofy i have ~ever~ read.

It was not as painful as everyone says.

I never read the posts he made back at SC or on the old forums - they were way too long and tongue twisty...Kinda like a Maureen Dowd on crack.

Actually Prokofy did a great post about Sarah Nerd a couple weeks ago, and his post about Starax when he first left was really good too.

Lucifer Baphomet · 12-28-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildefire Walcott

Actually Prokofy did a great post about Sarah Nerd a couple weeks ago, and his post about Starax when he first left was really good too.

And a nice tribute to Kendra.

Briana Dawson · 12-28-2008, 04:52 PM

Weird reverse senility-clarity in his old age?

Lecktor Hannibal · 12-28-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Briana Dawson

Holy Shit.

That's a red warning flag for all content creators.

These other grids like LCO and OLG are just in it for the quick buck. This is literally the virtual world dot-com bubble we are seeing except that places like LCO and OLG have even a lower chance of making it. They cannot handle the tiny numbers of load they get already. Not honoring DMCA claims to me is just one more nail in the coffin for that place.

OLG is NOTHING like this. Please don't lump OLG into this.

Lo Jacobs · 12-28-2008, 05:22 PM

DocWes's comment was incredibly illuminating. This is just a crazy mess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocWes

Lala makes the case as often as she cans that anything u put on her servers belongs to her. She tries to make it sound pretty but the legalize gets in there and your effectively giving her rights to any money you have invested and objects u bring in world. especially should u make her upset.

Quote:

I have copied the relevant sections into my post, with bold being added where relevant, to where I have issues.

Legend City Terms of Service

b ) You agree that any content downloaded into or created items in world give Legend City Online automatic rights to use, produce, and or distribute within our services and this content is royalty free, worldwide and carries no balance for fee. Furthermore, you agree that you have the right and are authorized to grant us such content under these conditions).

(d) You agree to allow Legend City Online to use and reproduce (and to authorize third parties to use and reproduce) any of your Content in any or all media for marketing and/or promotional purposes in connection with our services.

Chip Midnight · 12-28-2008, 05:36 PM

Actually LL has the same conditions in their TOS though worded a bit differently. It's standard CYA language, and it allows them to do things like use screenshots for promotion regardless of who owns copyright on what's shown in the screenshots. It also covers them from lawsuits when things like permissions bugs happen. I don't think those clauses are all that dubious when administered by a reputable company, but third party grids lack the requisite reputations. Maybe some will gain that level of trust in time, but I don't intend to be a guinnea pig with my content any time soon.

Tya · 12-28-2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Briana Dawson

And why does the name LaLa Xevious sound so familiar to me...

i was just thinking the same thing ...

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12-28-2008, 03:49 PM	#28 (permalink)
Chip Midnight That template guy Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,560 My Mood: Business: CMFF XBOX Leaderboard: 9^th	For once I actually agree with Prok 100%. If anyone needs me I'll be on the ledge contemplating jumping. This is clearly a sign of the apocalypse.

12-28-2008, 03:51 PM	#29 (permalink)
Io Zeno Gone SLU Supporter Stoking the fires of Hell Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 17,021 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Awards: 1	I could never take anyone named LaLa seriously, anyway.

12-28-2008, 04:00 PM	#34 (permalink)
Chip Midnight That template guy Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,560 My Mood: Business: CMFF XBOX Leaderboard: 9^th	I'm sure there is more to this story, but it brings to light the issue of being able to trust third party grid operators when it comes to honoring and protecting intellectual property rights. I think Linden Lab has been incredibly foolish to allow these copycat grids to spring up and operate without any contractual obligations to LL with respect to honoring a consistent set of rules and laws. In my opinion LL should never have allowed things to go this far. It should have been set up as a license system. Want to run an SL compatible grid? Great, sign here. if you don't operate up to our standards we reserve the right to shut you down at any time. Now not only are these third party grids competing against LL's biggest income source, they're eroding trust in the entire platform. Silly idealists.

12-28-2008, 04:00 PM	#35 (permalink)
Lucifer Baphomet Pampers Io Zenophile Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Darkmere Posts: 12,316 My Mood: Business: Radio Free Darkmere Awards: 1	Metaversally Speaking.. » Content Theft: The worst is still to come? The more I surf.. the more I'm seeing

12-28-2008, 04:16 PM	#38 (permalink)
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12-28-2008, 04:19 PM	#40 (permalink)
Lucifer Baphomet Pampers Io Zenophile Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Darkmere Posts: 12,316 My Mood: Business: Radio Free Darkmere Awards: 1	THE FUTURE OF THE METAVERSE HAS ARRIVED Announcing an Exiting New World

12-28-2008, 04:42 PM	#43 (permalink)
Lucifer Baphomet Pampers Io Zenophile Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Darkmere Posts: 12,316 My Mood: Business: Radio Free Darkmere Awards: 1	BTW.. good blog Prad

12-28-2008, 04:52 PM	#46 (permalink)
Briana Dawson Banned Loved by printesa Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Springfield, Illinois Posts: 3,981 My Mood: SL Join Date: September 23, 2003 Business: N&B Exports Awards: 1	Weird reverse senility-clarity in his old age?

12-28-2008, 05:36 PM	#49 (permalink)
Chip Midnight That template guy Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,560 My Mood: Business: CMFF XBOX Leaderboard: 9^th	Actually LL has the same conditions in their TOS though worded a bit differently. It's standard CYA language, and it allows them to do things like use screenshots for promotion regardless of who owns copyright on what's shown in the screenshots. It also covers them from lawsuits when things like permissions bugs happen. I don't think those clauses are all that dubious when administered by a reputable company, but third party grids lack the requisite reputations. Maybe some will gain that level of trust in time, but I don't intend to be a guinnea pig with my content any time soon.

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