Persephone Milk

She really needs to though. Not necessarily here, but she does need to respond to this, and soon. A lot has been said on her behalf - accusations that go as far as insinuations of content theft. And whether or not it accurately reflects her feelings, because she is friends with Prokofy, I feel she needs to make a statement on this. If all of this is much ado about nothing, then LCO and Lala have been diminished unfairly and Simone should care that her name was invoked in the process and want to do what she can to put things right.

I highly suspect Simone's silence is due to being out of pocket for the holidays and that when she returns and sees the poop storm that has ensued, she is going to regret whatever she may have said to Prok that gave him the ammunition he needed to launch a full frontal attack on LCO.

As one of the more successful designers in SL, I am sure that Simone was ultimately frustrated to find that she didn't make sales quickly enough to cover tier, that she had to scramble to move money over, and that LCO wasn't bending over backwards to keep her happy. And she probably did vent some of that frustration to Prok. The problem is that Prok isn't a normal human being. It sounds to me, based mostly on his illogical reasoning and completely disproportionate anger with with LCO and Lala, that Prok wanted a reason to go after LCO and Simone unwittingly gave him plenty of kindling to start a nice fire.

Of course, I say all of this not really knowing what happened. But I have to slice though all of this drama with Occam's Razor, right? What is the most likely scenario here? Until we hear from Simone herself, I think it's best to assume that Prok is doing as Prok always does and sitting back and laughing at how everybody else is in a lather over it all.

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Freyja just read Lee's The Silver Metal Lover (which I recommended to her) and its sequel Metallic Love (which I haven't read yet) more or less in one day. Tanith Llee really is very good.

They're apparently going to be reprinting her Flat Earth novels soon via a specialty press (Norilana), so finally a chance to get and read them all rather than getting bits and pieces.

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Dancien Graves

ooooooooo shinies.....

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Summer

It's not nice or professional to spread chat logs even for a true and powerful Diva like yourself.
This chat log that I read with my morning coffee doesn't even appear to have your name there.
Why do you have a copy of this?
Are all LaLa's customers billing conversations something you have access to?
When you are having a Diva hissy in the future will more of those fall out of your purse too? You got any LilyBeth chat logs in there?
You are a distributor of prime drama and make nice shoes. How much do yours cost?
Did you see the price on SM shoes?

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Dancien Graves

Profoky is no longer relevant in Virtual Worlds these days. She's an ancient illogical dinosaur making a few last sad gasps for attention.

Simone needs to present her side of the story, and not through a whack-a-doo mouthpiece like Profoky

Lala needs to never ever post another chat log concerning business again. If you're going to take on the role of a company, presenting a product then you need to be professional about it and none of this chat-log business. I've been in LCO, and likely will not go again just due to the Company Head posting chat logs.

Ten

Goddamnit.

PROKOFY IS A SHE! SHE! SHE!


Also: Hi Prok!

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Ten

To be fair, that wasn't LaLa posting the log... but she should possibly get some more professional underlings.

Dancien Graves

Settle down. Didn't you mention something about you in a cheerleader outfit in this thread?

Ten

Pervert.

Persephone Milk

I have to agree with this. Those chat logs should not have been published, and they should be taken down immediately. The private conversations between Simone and LaLa, and even the details of any agreement between them, are really none of our business. There are actually details in that chat log concerning health related matters that should not have been made public. I understand LaLa's desire to defend herself, but it's really important that she do so with professionalism, and with respect for privacy. This does cast negative light on LCO, and would give any content creator pause before considering a move into this world.

LaLa, if you are reading this, I highly suggest you remove the chat logs from your site and replace them with a general statement that does not expose private information. While you can't do much for the fact that some people have already read the logs, you can act in good faith now to remove them from your site.

Dancien Graves

Yes.

Persephone Milk

I have met Prokofy in real life (and should mention that all of my conversations with him, in RL and in SL, have been quite pleasant). I know you are just trying to be funny. But I am compelled to say, Prok's real life gender is quite irrelevant to this discussion.

Masque

Had to respond to this one even though it was back a ways in the thread.

Unfortunately a common misconception about open source is that it's altruistic and well "open". Then again the motto of open source "Free as in speech, not as in beer" is one of the most retarded statements ever concieved.

Almost all of the lead developers in opensim have a vested interest (as in melanie being one of the partners in LCO). And most of them have fledgling companies waiting to cash in on the wonders opensim is going to unleash upon the world. Check out the list of core developers and their companies here: Development Team - OpenSim

I have no feeling one way or the other about it, but never believe it's not about the money, even when it comes to open source (You can buy machines with Ubuntu in walmart, Open Office is frought with politics and "ownership" by HP, Firefox is over 90% owned by Google, etc.)

But right, at least realize at the start that there's nothing noble here.

Hopefully we can get past this "virtual worlds as the next web" crap and get to it being a valid part of the internet. After all is said and done who wants to have to log into a 3d world and have to slip on their avatar to read a couple documents and read email? It is what it is.

As it is, very very little in our beloved virtual worlds comes without some sort of agenda, so I'm sure we'll see more drama from the opensim front as the agenda starts showing more clearly.

Hopefully not too off topic, I blame my ignorance on this being my first post here! Did I do good, huh? Did I?

Briana Dawson

So is that how it works?

If the person is "cool" they are referred to as their SL gender. But if they are generally disliked, they get referred to as their RL gender?

Would anyone be upset if people started to refer to everyone by their RL gender as opposed to their SL gender?

I just thought that it was generally accepted that if we see someone is of one gender in SL then we refer to them that way out of mutual respect, etc.

Are things different now?

Cindy Claveau

When they've openly outed themselves and allowed publicly available photos to be taken, it's disingenious of them to then claim their avatar is "transgendered".

For one thing, it's an insult to transgendereds. For another, Catherine Fitzpatrick is already out and well known as a Russian translator. It's not like it's a secret "he" is a she.

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Briana Dawson

Outted or not. There are still people here in this forum who have been self-outted and their RL pics from the last SLCC are posted but are still referred to by their SL gender. What is the difference?

Cristiano

You could certainly see that one from space. It's funny the lengths Prokofy is going to to claim there is no billing dispute, yet Simone freely acknowledges in the chat log that she was moving money to pay what she owed because her sales had not earned enough to cover it.

Yet, Prokofy claims there was no agreement or that Simone owed nothing, and that it is all made up and we are liars. It is the usual dance Prokofy does when proven wrong, and is not even worth responding to. You get nowhere, as Prokofy is pathologically incapable of admitting being wrong.

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Persephone Milk

I am not sure I understand. How does being out have any bearing on a person's claim to transgender? Being out just means somebody is being open about some of their their real life details. I think I know what you are trying to say, and I agree that if you have made details about yourself public, it's disingenuous to jump on somebody's case for repeating what you have already disclosed. My point was merely that Prok's real life gender isn't relevant to this discussion. I also feel its wrong to even mention it when it has nothing at all to do with the conversation.

Briana Dawson

Yea, he did seem to ignore that little factoid and claimed it was all just given freely.

Alexia Cournoyer

wow.. I saw the first few posts for this and have just come back into the thread..

highs, lows, false accusations, drama, sleeping, token smut and now we're onto gender.

what a great thread.. you've got to admire Prok, always guaranteed to stir things up to make the world a less nicer place.

Why anyone choses to give this person's veracity the benefit of the doubt is beyond me.

S/he has as much credibility as the National Enquirer.

Briana Dawson

I guess this is the real focus of my post regarding that issue. It seems that with Prokofy, who is widely disliked, it is o.k. to correct people regarding the pronoun they use to refer to the person. I suspect that if such gender correction was done regarding other people it would not be tolerated.

Cristalle

Re: Prokofy's gender. We all know that Torley is a man. Do we refer to Torley as "she" for having a female avatar? I think of Torley as a "he" because his identity is public. Same with Prokofy, even though she uses a male avatar. I don't consider it to be transgendered, there are a host of reasons why one would choose a different gender for their avatar.

Alexia Cournoyer

i am going to go to that hot dark place for asking this as I don't usually pry, but I can't help it..


Is Simone a man? I have only had one conversation with that av and that was a couple of years ago but I had the distinct impression she was a he.

saying that, most people think I'm male, so what do I know??