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Macphisto Angelus · 08-28-2008, 07:33 PM

Sakai posted over on the OpenLife forum about 4 days ago that there is a credit system coming. Credits can be used for tier, uploads (10 credits per upload of a texture) and in trade to other members.

This is all in planning so if you are a member and have an idea be sure and stop by the forums there and make it known.

Preliminary Information about the New Credits System - General Chat - Openlife Grid

The preliminary idea:

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Whilst all the details are not concrete yet I thought I should share with you the information about the incoming in world credits system mentioned in the weekly update post here
As we are all aware the Openlife Grid is currently in 'beta' stage and we widely encourage content creation in world. The introduction of the credits system is not designed to discourage this creativity of residents but to help establish the framework to support an even more exciting interaction in world.

Time for some Key Points in the introduction of the new credits system:-

-Purchase of a new region will also come with a 1 time issue of 8000 credits. (sufficient to upload 800 items from external sources).
-Regions purchased between the introduction of the credit system and September will also be eligable for 8000 credits.
-All Region Owners will be issued with 8000 credits per region apon receipt of region renewal being paid in the month of September.
-The above also applies to Private Clusters. Therefore a new private cluster owner (4 regions), would receive a 1 time issue of 32,000 credits.
-New Users will be given 100 credits to start (pending).
-Credits are purchasable in defined amounts, these will be assigned to the avatar within 24hrs. (in future this will be automated).
-Credits will be redeemable for 'rewards' including region renewals.
-Credits are not being introduced as a direct 'exchange' scenario for cash.
-Uploads will retain their default charge of 10 credits per item.
-Sale & issue of credits is only through the Openlife Grid site.
-No 3rd party sale credits for real currency is permitted (fraud prevention) a this time.
-Transaction history will be made available via the openlifegrid.com site.

What can you do with these credits?
Pay another avatar in world, use them to upload such as textures or animations, buy an object or item in world that is set for 'sale'. Trade with them in world.
Exchange credits for rewards, these rewards may include gift vouchers, real items, region renewals etc.

Any thoughts or suggestions? Please feel free to reply to this post. The above information is still subject to changes. The final revision will be pubished to a new page on the site when the credits system is first turned on.
Sakai Openlife
Openlifegrid.com Founder

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Major kudos for Sakai trying out a credit set up before making a full blown money system. Great way to test the waters.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 08-28-2008, 09:21 PM

I heard he just bought out Aargle of all his Zorkmid Z$!

Lecktor Hannibal · 08-29-2008, 05:47 AM

Cool beans Mac, I didn't know you were over on OL too! I've got my sim Moire and am really pleased to be onboard with OL. Sakai really seems to have the chutzpah to pull this off and I'm excited.

Macphisto Angelus · 08-29-2008, 12:06 PM

/agreed! Sakai seems to be the right horse to back at this point.

My very first sign in to OL.. I was standing there ruth'd and ready. First person I saw was Sakai. He welcomed me, told me a little about his vision and called Gif to have him bring me some clothes. I will always remember that because it reminded me of another virtual world in the olden days.

I am going to start hanging out there much more. LL is going somewhere I no longer care to tag along for. Sakai is making a world.. LL is making a business app.

Joshua Nightshade · 08-29-2008, 12:12 PM

Not a fan.

Macphisto Angelus · 08-29-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Not a fan.

Well, before I get too far on the cheerleader wagon can you PM me or say here what makes you say that?

I do like OSGrid too, I just seem to lag horribly when there. 3RD Rock I haven't stepped into yet.

I know I do not want to be spread out over multiple places. I want to find one and put my roots down.

Lecktor Hannibal · 08-29-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Not a fan.

Good

Joshua Nightshade · 08-29-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Macphisto Angelus

Well, before I get too far on the cheerleader wagon can you PM me or say here what makes you say that?

I do like OSGrid too, I just seem to lag horribly when there. 3RD Rock I haven't stepped into yet.

I know I do not want to be spread out over multiple places. I want to find one and put my roots down.

I have personal misgivings about the guy. He's not as bad as Frank Corsi, but he's not someone I personally find trustworthy at all.

Frankly my personal opinion is that none of these systems need to be charging for software they really aren't contributing anything back towards. Admittedly he's doing something but this is still alpha software.

But yeah beyond that I have personal concerns about him.

Joshua Nightshade · 08-29-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lecktor Hannibal

Good

Another valuable post, courtesy of Lecktor.

ZATZAi · 08-29-2008, 09:38 PM

The war of the grids, it's coming. Let's hope the development of a way to teleport between grids will keep the community from getting too fragmented.

Joshua Nightshade · 08-29-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ZATZAi

The war of the grids, it's coming. Let's hope the development of a way to teleport between grids will keep the community from getting too fragmented.

Well I guess the good thing about them all using the same software is that it's going to prevent a lot of fragmentation for at least a while.

It doesn't seem to me that any of these third party developers are doing anything really unique with the code themselves yet. So all the features will be available for everyone in some capacity until people start coding stuff themselves.

But I still find it personally greedy to be setting up commercial enterprises off of anything they haven't made on their own. Reeks of freebie reselling and BIAB to me.

Joshua Nightshade · 08-29-2008, 09:47 PM

And my complaints really aren't to say that I prefer OSGrid over anything else, personally I think the grid concept this early on is going to cause some disappointments, especially from people who believe this is identical to SL right now.

OSGrid is set up for troubleshooting and debugging really, and that's why it's all free. The gap between SL and OpenSim is narrowing, but right now there's really absolutely no reason someone needs to be charging for it to me. Especially not Central Grid's asinine pricing.

But I'm grid agnostic personally. I just think Sakai has a big mouth.

ZATZAi · 08-29-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Well I guess the good thing about them all using the same software is that it's going to prevent a lot of fragmentation for at least a while.

It doesn't seem to me that any of these third party developers are doing anything really unique with the code themselves yet. So all the features will be available for everyone in some capacity until people start coding stuff themselves.

But I still find it personally greedy to be setting up commercial enterprises off of anything they haven't made on their own. Reeks of freebie reselling and BIAB to me.

Depends, there is something to be said for offereing a service. I don't see it that differently from renting out servers running Apache. It's nice when they can contribute back to the programatic development, but that's not the only way you can grow something. Would Apache be as big as it is if only the people who programmed it offered servers that use it?

Joshua Nightshade · 08-29-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ZATZAi

Depends, there is something to be said for offereing a service. I don't see it that differently from renting out servers running Apache. It's nice when they can contribute back to the programatic development, but that's not the only way you can grow something. Would Apache be as big as it is if only the people who programmed it offered servers that use it?

Well yes, and that's how they're positioning themselves, but I still have problems with it personally.

But it's obviously the sort of thing that they're allowed to do, because of the licensing, but it's already generated more than a couple douches and leeches looking to cash in.

Vengence Opus · 08-29-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Another valuable post, courtesy of Lecktor.

wot?

Joshua Nightshade · 08-29-2008, 10:28 PM

(sarcasm)

Vengence Opus · 08-29-2008, 10:29 PM

(sarcasm)

Joshua Nightshade · 08-29-2008, 11:11 PM

(sarcasm-sm)

Vengence Opus · 08-29-2008, 11:14 PM

(surreptitious post whore)

Joshua Nightshade · 08-29-2008, 11:15 PM

(I love it when you call me naughty names.)

Vengence Opus · 08-29-2008, 11:18 PM

(hehe. Josh.)

Lecktor Hannibal · 08-29-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Another valuable post, courtesy of Lecktor.

Just like all of yours. Of course, if JoshUA has misgivings, by god we must panic.

Joshua Nightshade · 08-29-2008, 11:45 PM

I don't recall ever saying anyone needs to feel one way or the other about it. I also don't recall needing to ask you if I can share my opinion.

I know that's a difficult concept for you and you aren't smart enough to understand the difference, which is why I won't hold it against you, retard.

Samantha Fuller · 08-29-2008, 11:53 PM

Since this thread has decayed into padding your post count i will say something to get it back on track.

What is new with this announcement is the possibility that he will be taking inworld currency for tier.

I believe that there are a lot more content creators and inworld businesses who make just enough to defer part of the cost of tier or just a little more, than there are businesses that make enough to put food on the table.

and these won't have to cash out (paying commission fees & taxes) only to turn around and buy back in.

This makes even more sense as he is starting with a semi closed economy that will give some protection from outside influences & regulators, yes i know that it is impossible to create a completely closed economy for reasons similar to those that prevent really good copy protection.

One thing that concerns me is the timid language i.e. Credits & Rewards. I have found that uncertain language can cause almost as much distrust as over blown bluster.

**Adam Zaius** · 08-30-2008, 12:06 AM

I disagree - at this stage "Credits" is appropriate.

OpenSim has bugs - it's alpha software, there's some pretty major ones in there occasionally. Ergo, I wouldnt be building anything critical on it if you dont have time to test and harden revisions (ie it's really only useful for corporates right now as far as 'commerce' goes.)

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08-29-2008, 05:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
Lecktor Hannibal Account Closed Rebooting Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,187	Cool beans Mac, I didn't know you were over on OL too! I've got my sim Moire and am really pleased to be onboard with OL. Sakai really seems to have the chutzpah to pull this off and I'm excited.

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Macphisto Angelus Is a bastage! It puts the lotion on it's skin!! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cali Posts: 3,066 My Mood: SL Join Date: 10-21-2004	/agreed! Sakai seems to be the right horse to back at this point. My very first sign in to OL.. I was standing there ruth'd and ready. First person I saw was Sakai. He welcomed me, told me a little about his vision and called Gif to have him bring me some clothes. I will always remember that because it reminded me of another virtual world in the olden days. I am going to start hanging out there much more. LL is going somewhere I no longer care to tag along for. Sakai is making a world.. LL is making a business app.

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Joshua Nightshade Account Closed Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33,567 My Mood:	Not a fan.

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Joshua Nightshade Account Closed Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33,567 My Mood:	And my complaints really aren't to say that I prefer OSGrid over anything else, personally I think the grid concept this early on is going to cause some disappointments, especially from people who believe this is identical to SL right now. OSGrid is set up for troubleshooting and debugging really, and that's why it's all free. The gap between SL and OpenSim is narrowing, but right now there's really absolutely no reason someone needs to be charging for it to me. Especially not Central Grid's asinine pricing. But I'm grid agnostic personally. I just think Sakai has a big mouth.

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Joshua Nightshade Account Closed Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33,567 My Mood:	I don't recall ever saying anyone needs to feel one way or the other about it. I also don't recall needing to ask you if I can share my opinion. I know that's a difficult concept for you and you aren't smart enough to understand the difference, which is why I won't hold it against you, retard.

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Samantha Fuller Senior Member Mostly quiet Lurker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 337 My Mood:	Since this thread has decayed into padding your post count i will say something to get it back on track. What is new with this announcement is the possibility that he will be taking inworld currency for tier. I believe that there are a lot more content creators and inworld businesses who make just enough to defer part of the cost of tier or just a little more, than there are businesses that make enough to put food on the table. and these won't have to cash out (paying commission fees & taxes) only to turn around and buy back in. This makes even more sense as he is starting with a semi closed economy that will give some protection from outside influences & regulators, yes i know that it is impossible to create a completely closed economy for reasons similar to those that prevent really good copy protection. One thing that concerns me is the timid language i.e. Credits & Rewards. I have found that uncertain language can cause almost as much distrust as over blown bluster.

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