Colette Meiji

But its not successful in SL, though!

That was my point about "Freebies" people get their stuff ripped off all the time.

And if you release anything full perms guaranteed someone will eventually try to sell it.

Ask Stroker how well it works...

Ask Storma ...

Ask Lost ...

Gigs

What can I say? The software industry isn't dead. The music industry isn't dead (despite the CD not having any DRM). People copy DVDs trivially even though they do have DRM, and the movie industry isn't dead.

So you have a strange definition for "doesn't work"

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Gigs

This goes back to why perms are very horrible at expressing the creator's intent.

Colette Meiji

But they are losing Potential Sales, Lots of them.

Thats why they get in an uproar over this stuff.

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America isnt dead do to liquor stores getting robbed either, but it would be nice if it stopped.

Joshua Nightshade

No, the music industry has not lost any sales due to illegal copying.

Colette Meiji

LOL do you really think that those people stealing all that crap did so because they thought the Creator was cool with it?


C'mon now. That's silly.

Gigs

A Joshua in hand is worth two in the bush.
Don't count your Joshuas until they hatch.

Ever notice how cliches tend to be cliche because they are true?

Joshua Nightshade

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Gigs

I imagine some people selling full perm items thought it was OK. It's unclear whether that would be allowed or not because permissions are no where near a complete expression of a copyright license.

Gigs

Can't I use you to spice up cliches?

Joshua Nightshade

You're so gay, and you don't even like boys.

No you don't even like, no you don't even like, no you don't even like boys.

Gigs

I kissed a girl and I liked it

Colette Meiji

Look I don't get the smugness.

It has obviously cost them potential sales.

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Some kid has $20 saved up ..

He can either ---

Buy a CD at Best Buy


Or ...

Download the CD's songs, buy a pack of Jones and go to the movies.

There is $20.

Now thats the smallest example. There are plenty of others.

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Take a step back and don't let any personal music collection you may have color your judgment.

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Everyone who has their 20 GB music selection on their hard drive has most likely cost the music industry some sales.

Now not every song is potential sales of course, people who didn't have the ability, would likely live with less music.

But that it cost some sales is really just common sense.

Colette Meiji

But we are talking people who didn't sell their stuff full perm.

It is silly to say those who ripped that stuff thought the creator's intent was to allow unlimited resale.

Colette Meiji

Josh you can disagree all you want.

But I know people who used to buy music that never do any more.

They just download it all.

So there is no way it has cost the Music Industry NO SALES, sorry.

Gigs

Actually, no, I'm talking about people that sold their stuff full perm, in this particular little exchange.

Joshua Nightshade

98% of my 8000+ music library is legitimate.

The other 2% encompasses music that I can't legally buy in the US because of import licenses, the artist not releasing things here, etc. I couldn't buy it here anyway, so it was no loss to the label.

I download music all the time. Try before I buy, etc etc. Whenever possible I purchase music directly from the artist, avoiding their label. I don't want the recording industry to get my money, because that's ultimately who they're protecting: themselves; artists make cents on every CD because the industry steals the rest of it.

Statistically speaking, and based on studies into this, very few people are of the steal everything variety. And they tend to represent people that weren't going to buy anything anyway. Most people download, then purchase. Many studies have demonstrated that the recording industry is no worse today than it was ten/fifteen years ago.

Colette Meiji

See theres the flaw-

MOST

You are right, Most probably do buy some of their music.

Some probably buy Most or all of their Music, as you say you do.

But its not ALL buy ALL of their music.


And as I mentioned -

Some buy NONE of their music.

Joshua Nightshade

It all evens out. And like I said you don't have to take my word for it. The actual numbers have demonstrated file sharing to be no detriment to the recording industry at all.

Frankly shitty music is more detrimental to them than Napster was.

Colette Meiji

However you were replying to me, and I very clearly wasn't.

Gigs

Before the Internet, I owned about 5 CDs, most of them gifts.

I have quite a few more than that now, and have spend hundreds of dollars at music download sites. I've definitely spent way more money on music since I started being able to download music freely.

Colette Meiji

Its really hard to know that.

Its supposition.

It could be true of coure

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But the copyright aspect has some huge flaws and it doesn't make a very good example for Second Life.

Especially when loyalty to an "Artist" when you have no idea the seller is not the artist comes into play.

Gigs

Are you sure you weren't replying to yourself?

Colette Meiji

People after all don't pass off the latest album by U2 as their own work.

And if they did almost no one would download it anyhow.

Colette Meiji

No

But I dont feel like tracking down the posts now.

You were replying to the one where I mentioned Storma and Lost and Stroker ..

Who obviously were not full permissions.