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Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-11-2008, 02:06 PM

So I'm tooling around my OpenSim setup.

Currently it's 4 adjacent sims running on the same box as my client (and everything else I do, incidentally). I also changed the database for MySQL (which, btw, is highly recommended... the performance boost is very nice).

How many prims am I going to be able to cram into these sims before a) my computer can't handle it, or b) I lose content due to a database crash?

I'm running XP SP2, a dual-core pentium 2.14ghz... and a gig of ram (yes yes, low, I know... I'm poor, working on it).

Any ideas?

Adam Zaius · 08-11-2008, 02:12 PM

B shouldn't ever happen.

You may get to the point however where you have so many prims that sending to the client causes issues. (which is more "A" anyway).

That point seems to be tied more to script count that prim count, but personally I recommend keeping to under 20K prims per region - realistically I'd probably do larger more sparse builds with say 16 regions of 5000 prims each vs 4 of 20000.

In English - lots and lots and lots of smaller regions is much better than a few massive ones, by such a huge margin that you could probably have virtually infinite sims if you kept each to say 2000 prims at very minimal scripting.

Joshua Nightshade · 08-11-2008, 02:14 PM

I would also strongly suggest that you backup before updating SVN. I like to be on the bleeding edge and that's bit me in the ass a lot of times with stuff totally becoming unusable after I updated.

Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-11-2008, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Zaius

B shouldn't ever happen.

You may get to the point however where you have so many prims that sending to the client causes issues. (which is more "A" anyway).

That point seems to be tied more to script count that prim count, but personally I recommend keeping to under 20K prims per region - realistically I'd probably do larger more sparse builds with say 16 regions of 5000 prims each vs 4 of 20000.

In English - lots and lots and lots of smaller regions is much better than a few massive ones, by such a huge margin that you could probably have virtually infinite sims if you kept each to say 2000 prims at very minimal scripting.

Hmm.

That might change my building plans somewhat. heh.

Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-11-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

I would also strongly suggest that you backup before updating SVN. I like to be on the bleeding edge and that's bit me in the ass a lot of times with stuff totally becoming unusable after I updated.

Yeah I don't understand SVN at all. I don't know what it is, what it does, or how it can help me.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 08-11-2008, 02:39 PM

SVN (subversion) is a version control system for source code with a lot of nice features. Yesteryear's version of popular source control system were RCS And CVS, and Bazaar is lurking around the corner.

Regards,

-Flip

Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-11-2008, 02:42 PM

Okay, well, how can I make this work for me?

Samantha Fuller · 08-11-2008, 03:43 PM

Another thing that makes a lot of difference is how often you restart, I find that after about 4 hours of building, or 1 hour when working with over sized prims the sim needs a restart. When texture repeats start taking on random values it is time to restart the sim(s).

if you don't then in short order tex rot, glow, color, full bright, mapping method & bump maps are randomized next. if you continue to try to build you get toxic prims that crash the client if deleted touched or edited.

Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-11-2008, 03:56 PM

So, I guess I updated to the newest version with SVN.

But now, prims are being sent to the client very. slowly.

Like, less than one prim a second.

And all my textures are gone

Joshua Nightshade · 08-11-2008, 03:57 PM

What did you do?

Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-11-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

What did you do?

I installed TortoiseSVN to load up the SVN.

I backed up OpenSim, exported XML files, etc.

I installed the new version of OpenSim (5811) with SVN.

I then downloaded MS Visual Studio C# 2005 to compile.

It compiled or whatever.

I had to nuke the MySQL table because OpenSim kept crashing, so it's a fresh MySQL database again.

But now when I run the client and server, I get ping spikes of like 1000ms and the prims load very slowly, or not at all.

Joshua Nightshade · 08-11-2008, 04:10 PM

You don't need Visual Studio, once you've updated run prebuild.bat, and then compile.bat and that's all you have to have.

Don't know about the prim stuff though, try restarting the sims and/or adjust your bandwidth slider in the viewer. Too high or too little can cause problems.

Samantha Fuller · 08-11-2008, 04:14 PM

the last few SVN's are unstable even the OpenLife grid is having to roll back / patch.

Joshua Nightshade · 08-11-2008, 04:15 PM

My sims on OSGrid are running on 5774 which seems stable, it's been that way since last week.

Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-11-2008, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

You don't need Visual Studio, once you've updated run prebuild.bat, and then compile.bat and that's all you have to have.

The kids on #opensim said I needed it :|

Quote:

Don't know about the prim stuff though, try restarting the sims and/or adjust your bandwidth slider in the viewer. Too high or too little can cause problems.

Joshua Nightshade · 08-11-2008, 04:21 PM

You don't need it.

Macphisto Angelus · 08-11-2008, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

So, I guess I updated to the newest version with SVN.

But now, prims are being sent to the client very. slowly.

Like, less than one prim a second.

And all my textures are gone

Ahhhh thanks!

I did a fresh install of OpenSim last night with the SVN and it ran good on my PC but all of the sudden my wife's PC is running it like crap. Same exact thing.. prims take forever to load, even the island slowly loads piece by piece. Textures are either missing or take a long time to update. I have been trying like hell to figure out what was wrong since SL works perfectly for her.

You just helped me out tons, LF. Sorry for your experience.. but yay me!

Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-11-2008, 04:27 PM

How did I help? It sounds like you're fine, but your wife's isn't with the same version?

Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-11-2008, 04:35 PM

Aaaaand now it's magically working again. Still have to replace all the textures by hand, but...

Macphisto Angelus · 08-11-2008, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

How did I help? It sounds like you're fine, but your wife's isn't with the same version?

Because you just showed me it is likely the SVN and not something wrong with the network.

I have tested, proded and gone insane since last night. So it is a relief to hear it is not something beyond just downloading the official version to fix.

Or even grab my backup from my second hard drive. I like being bleeding edge myself.. but stability rocks too. hehe

BTW, Adam if you are reading let those OSGrid types know the last official build was July 1. Time for a new one

they don't wanna get like OpenLife and slack. j/k

And it does get "better" at times. I was flying around.. building..attatching etc on her's a bit ago and thought it was cured then it started again.

Makes me want to do this:

Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-11-2008, 05:13 PM

oh also...

Apparently I no longer own any of my prims on my sims since this debacle started.

Is there a way to batch-convert the owner/creator of all of these prims from the non-existent original av (since i wiped his db) to the new one?

Macphisto Angelus · 08-11-2008, 09:47 PM

I don't think so. When I set up the grid for the first time I input Macphisto Angelus for the master name (overriding the Test User toon). This way all land is in your name too. You may want to delete the default (and any other region files) in the .bin/regions folder and star

08-11-2008, 02:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Lordfly Digeridoo Grid.Living verf veruuuufffuurrr rufufurrrrr Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,217 SL Join Date: 7/21/2003 Business: Grid.Living XBOX Leaderboard: 13^th SLShopper Ads: 3 My Mood: Awards: 1	Alright, realistically... limits of OpenSim? So I'm tooling around my OpenSim setup. Currently it's 4 adjacent sims running on the same box as my client (and everything else I do, incidentally). I also changed the database for MySQL (which, btw, is highly recommended... the performance boost is very nice). How many prims am I going to be able to cram into these sims before a) my computer can't handle it, or b) I lose content due to a database crash? I'm running XP SP2, a dual-core pentium 2.14ghz... and a gig of ram (yes yes, low, I know... I'm poor, working on it). Any ideas? __________________ http://www.lordfly.com/wordpress http://www.digeridoodesigns.com/

08-11-2008, 02:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 5,225 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	SVN (subversion) is a version control system for source code with a lot of nice features. Yesteryear's version of popular source control system were RCS And CVS, and Bazaar is lurking around the corner. Regards, -Flip __________________ Peregrine Salon: Flip & Jenn's thang.

08-11-2008, 02:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	I would also strongly suggest that you backup before updating SVN. I like to be on the bleeding edge and that's bit me in the ass a lot of times with stuff totally becoming unusable after I updated.

08-11-2008, 02:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
Lordfly Digeridoo Grid.Living verf veruuuufffuurrr rufufurrrrr Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,217 SL Join Date: 7/21/2003 Business: Grid.Living XBOX Leaderboard: 13^th SLShopper Ads: 3 My Mood: Awards: 1	Okay, well, how can I make this work for me?

08-11-2008, 03:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Samantha Fuller Senior Member Mostly quiet Lurker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 154 My Mood:	Another thing that makes a lot of difference is how often you restart, I find that after about 4 hours of building, or 1 hour when working with over sized prims the sim needs a restart. When texture repeats start taking on random values it is time to restart the sim(s). if you don't then in short order tex rot, glow, color, full bright, mapping method & bump maps are randomized next. if you continue to try to build you get toxic prims that crash the client if deleted touched or edited.

08-11-2008, 03:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lordfly Digeridoo Grid.Living verf veruuuufffuurrr rufufurrrrr Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,217 SL Join Date: 7/21/2003 Business: Grid.Living XBOX Leaderboard: 13^th SLShopper Ads: 3 My Mood: Awards: 1	So, I guess I updated to the newest version with SVN. But now, prims are being sent to the client very. slowly. Like, less than one prim a second. And all my textures are gone

08-11-2008, 03:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	What did you do?

08-11-2008, 04:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	You don't need Visual Studio, once you've updated run prebuild.bat, and then compile.bat and that's all you have to have. Don't know about the prim stuff though, try restarting the sims and/or adjust your bandwidth slider in the viewer. Too high or too little can cause problems.

08-11-2008, 04:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
Samantha Fuller Senior Member Mostly quiet Lurker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 154 My Mood:	the last few SVN's are unstable even the OpenLife grid is having to roll back / patch.

08-11-2008, 04:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	My sims on OSGrid are running on 5774 which seems stable, it's been that way since last week.

08-11-2008, 04:21 PM	#16 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	You don't need it.

08-11-2008, 04:27 PM	#18 (permalink)
Lordfly Digeridoo Grid.Living verf veruuuufffuurrr rufufurrrrr Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,217 SL Join Date: 7/21/2003 Business: Grid.Living XBOX Leaderboard: 13^th SLShopper Ads: 3 My Mood: Awards: 1	How did I help? It sounds like you're fine, but your wife's isn't with the same version?

08-11-2008, 04:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
Lordfly Digeridoo Grid.Living verf veruuuufffuurrr rufufurrrrr Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,217 SL Join Date: 7/21/2003 Business: Grid.Living XBOX Leaderboard: 13^th SLShopper Ads: 3 My Mood: Awards: 1	Aaaaand now it's magically working again. Still have to replace all the textures by hand, but...

08-11-2008, 05:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
Lordfly Digeridoo Grid.Living verf veruuuufffuurrr rufufurrrrr Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,217 SL Join Date: 7/21/2003 Business: Grid.Living XBOX Leaderboard: 13^th SLShopper Ads: 3 My Mood: Awards: 1	oh also... Apparently I no longer own any of my prims on my sims since this debacle started. Is there a way to batch-convert the owner/creator of all of these prims from the non-existent original av (since i wiped his db) to the new one?

08-11-2008, 09:47 PM	#22 (permalink)
Macphisto Angelus Ghostariffic! all statused out Join Date: May 2008 Location: OpenLife Grid Posts: 2,325 SL Join Date: 10-21-2004 My Mood:	I don't think so. When I set up the grid for the first time I input Macphisto Angelus for the master name (overriding the Test User toon). This way all land is in your name too. You may want to delete the default (and any other region files) in the .bin/regions folder and star