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Old 10-12-2017, 04:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Stolen SL content in OpenSim

I was on an OS grid today, and in their shopping area was a lot of stuff that looks like it was stolen from Second Life:

- The Maitreya body, rebranded as Athena
- The Slink male body, rebranded as Adonis
- Clothing I recognized from Blueberry
- Hair that I recognized from Truth and Argrace
- Plenty of other content that I'm guessing was also stolen, but I couldn't say from whom.

I took lots of pictures and made note of where I found the items and who the supposed creator was. I was planning to pass the info on to the Second Life creators, but is there anything they could do about it?
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Probably not really honestly. Anyone can add a region to OS Grid and it's likely that all of that stuff is elsewhere in other regions.
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I was planning to pass the info on to the Second Life creators, but is there anything they could do about it?Yes, tell those creators they should stop dropping their stuff on the opensim grids, and instead add their items to marketplaces such as the market from kitely grid :
https://www.kitely.com/market/produc...ail-Dress-Ruby
https://www.kitely.com/market/produc...een-Annes-Lace
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Yes, tell those creators they should stop dropping their stuff on the opensim grids, and instead add their items to marketplaces....


Their creations have been STOLEN, not just dropped off on the grids. Sheesh.
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Probably not really honestly. Anyone can add a region to OS Grid and it's likely that all of that stuff is elsewhere in other regions.
LOL, there's really not even any way of knowing whether the "Athena" body's seller actually stole it from Maitreya, or stole it from someone else in OS who stole it from Maitreya and called it something else. It's copyturtles all the way down.
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If elements of the server code itself were "heavily inspired" by SL, of course the content in it's world will be, too.

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the number of people i've met on opensim grids who say something along the lines of "i bought these things in sl so i am allowed to import my inventory to opensim, because i paid for it." does nobody understand the idea of a limited licence to use something?
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the number of people i've met on opensim grids who say something along the lines of "i bought these things in sl so i am allowed to import my inventory to opensim, because i paid for it." does nobody understand the idea of a limited licence to use something?
I find that certain parts of the world are the ones whom say or do this. I guess it might be a cultural thing in all honesty or some kind of consumer entitlement that they think applies to even virtual goods.
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I find that certain parts of the world are the ones whom say or do this. I guess it might be a cultural thing in all honesty or some kind of consumer entitlement that they think applies to even virtual goods.
It kind of reminds me of the argument that piracy isn't a crime because you are making a copy and not taking the actual original (like with say, an apple).

On the other hand, I can see where this argument of "I bought it once" can come in, especially using say, a movie as an example. I bought the VHO, I bought the DVD, I bought the Blue Ray, now you want to charge me again for the digital version, enough is enough." Though I doubt a lot of folks bought something twice like that in SL/OS.
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I stumbled across the same or similar issue at a popular destination - “Athena” mesh, “Cat Skye” heads, but applier boxen full of Glam Affair and The Shops skins and stuff (yes, took a picture and LM). Photo on request (it’s on desktop HD).

Will message the content creators that I recognized but there was a lot there.
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I stumbled across the same or similar issue at a popular destination - “Athena” mesh, “Cat Skye” heads, but applier boxen full of Glam Affair and The Shops skins and stuff (yes, took a picture and LM). Photo on request (it’s on desktop HD).
The "Ruth 2.0" project was started in part as a reaction against the stolen maitreya bodies and catwa heads. For the sake of giving folks an open source alternative to stolen shit.

But yes, while the problem's always been there, it has gotten worse in the last several years. That is because as copybotters are chased off of metro and osgrid, digiworldz and other legit grids, they're taking up camp in sketchy grids which don't listen to the DMCA and who advertise through opensimworld.

It's all kinds of fucked up.
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The funny part is they had a “Ruth 2.0 RC1” box there (the one with the Firestorm upload issues). Caveat emptor!
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The funny part is they had a “Ruth 2.0 RC1” box there (the one with the Firestorm upload issues). Caveat emptor!
I'm sure -all the better to blur the lines between open source and stolen content.

I'm convinced that the sudden rash of copybotting is intended in part to provoke a purge that drives out open source/free content.

I'm not sure of the exact motives, all I know is that it's deliberate, and it's coordinated and it's a direct, literal attack.

For the record, "Caveat Emptor" is why I linked to the creators' G+ page. For the sake of having all the cards on the table.
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The Ruth 2.0 project also has a github page, for those who are interested in following it; https://github.com/Outworldz/Ruth
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I'm convinced that the sudden rash of copybotting is intended in part to provoke a purge that drives out open source/free content.
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You mean in OpenSim/OS Grid or SL? Is there any OS based grid really besides Kitely that has a real money market? And I feel like the freebie market in SL has already been killed by the DEMO market, at least on the marketplace.
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You mean in OpenSim/OS Grid or SL? Is there any OS based grid really besides Kitely that has a real money market? And I feel like the freebie market in SL has already been killed by the DEMO market, at least on the marketplace.
I mean in Opensim, with it being discredited in SL being seen as a 'perk'.

I'm not saying it's particularly brilliant thinking (fighting over opensim when there's new markets in high fi and sinespace is a bit 'passing by dollars to pick up cents'). I think ...if anything... it's a case of Sayre's law.

Mind you, I could be totally full of crap regarding the motives...I'm just guessing here. All I know for sure is that the shit is more coordinated than simply the same old king goon crap.
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I mean in Opensim, with it being discredited in SL being seen as a 'perk'.

I'm not saying it's particularly brilliant thinking (fighting over opensim when there's new markets in high fi and sinespace is a bit 'passing by dollars to pick up cents'). I think ...if anything... it's a case of Sayre's law.

Mind you, I could be totally full of crap regarding the motives...I'm just guessing here. All I know for sure is that the shit is more coordinated than simply the same old king goon crap.
I see what you are saying now.

And honestly, i don't really understand why content creators would get too fussed over OpenSIM Copybot. I like the idea of OS, but the number of users is pretty tiny. And the number of regular active users (ie not occasional casual people like myself) seems like it might be in the range of "hundreds". Versus the user base of SL itself, its nothing.
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Probably not really honestly. Anyone can add a region to OS Grid and it's likely that all of that stuff is elsewhere in other regions.
Yeah, its fairly easily to download the Open Sim software from OSGrid.org, get it running and connected somewhere on that grid since I have already done it and currently run nine different regions connected to there from a separate Windows 10 computer that has 16 GBs of RAM.
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Yeah, its fairly easily to download the Open Sim software from OSGrid.org, get it running and connected somewhere on that grid since I have already done it and currently run nine different regions connected to there from a separate Windows 10 computer that has 16 GBs of RAM.
Shit, you don't even need the OSGrid version.

The Dreamworld installer is even easier.
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Shit, you don't even need the OSGrid version.

The Dreamworld installer is even easier.
That is something I did not know about since I have never been on Dreamworld or Outworldz for that matter. I have only been and can be found on SecondLife, InWorldz, and OSGrid.
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That is something I did not know about since I have never been on Dreamworld or Outworldz for that matter. I have only been and can be found on SecondLife, InWorldz, and OSGrid.
You didn't follow that link, did you?
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You didn't follow that link, did you?
Yes, I did follow the link after you posted it and took a look at it before I responded here.
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Yes, I did follow the link after you posted it and took a look at it before I responded here.
Then what did you mean by "been on dreamworld"?

Why not simply say "I haven't set up a dreamworld" instead?

Since, as the link indicates; dreamworld isn't a grid (one goes to) but a way to install your own grid on your own computer.
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Then what did you mean by "been on dreamworld"?

Why not simply say "I haven't set up a dreamworld" instead?

Since, as the link indicates; dreamworld isn't a grid (one goes to) but a way to install your own grid on your own computer.
Oh, I had gotten confused there where I said that and thought dreamworld was the name of a grid.
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I went to KitoCity today. As far as I can see, every single piece of merchandise and scenery is stolen goods from SL.


On the street by the entrance point there is a huge decal saying "Everything on the OS Grid should be free". At least the copybotters could have enough decency not to gloat!

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