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prinţesă nină · 01-10-2008, 10:38 AM

how dare you!

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

I also believe God makes these things okay

Serenity · 01-10-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chalice Yao

half of us'd probably collectively rob, abuse and tear others apart in the streets if it weren't for any laws in place.

Gee... cynic much?

Serenity

Don Mill · 01-10-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

Here's a question, just as an aside, for those who are opposed to the death penalty in all cases, at all times:

If you came upon this guy at the bridge, ready to toss the first baby off, and you had a gun in your hand, would you shoot him and prevent the baby from being tossed?

I mean, then it obviously WOULD clearly "do some good," wouldn't it?

coco

Coco, the scenario you describe does not imply shoot to kill necessarilly. Force the guy to put down the baby, yes. Shoot him on the legs to disable him, yes...

You don't need to kill him.

To Briana: I PMed you last night, I feel your pain, and for sure... if those babies were mine, I most probably kill the guy and cut him into tiny pieces. My opinion, from the beginning, is the rational one.

prinţesă nină · 01-10-2008, 11:25 AM

ok well if i saw the guy preparing to throw a bub off a bridge, yes i would kill him if that looked to be the best way to prevent such a thing happening.
but there is a difference between a preventative killing and a punitive killing.

Edav Nomad · 01-10-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristian Ming

This is Alabama. They have a death sentence, eh?

Yes, but they got rid of electrocution at the end of 2002 and now its just lethal injections. Now there is a moratorium on executions put on by the Supreme Court.

I watched the news about it last night and someone who knows the guy said that he did it to show his wife who was the boss. He was also arrested in the past in Georgia for drug possession and he also has a drug problem.

Khamon · 01-10-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristian Ming

This is Alabama. They have a death sentence, eh?

We do, and it was upheld in a case before our Supreme Court just last week. What might prevent such a sentence in this case is a lack of bodies which is a very likely scenario considering the depths and currents under the DIP bridge.

Oh and we have alligators, not crocodiles.

Billy Grace · 01-10-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Serenity

Why are these always about capital punishment?

Anyways, killing the father won't bring back his children. Nothing will. They're gone, and people need to start the healing process as best they can.

Will executing him help that process? I don't know. I've seen enough post-execution interviews with surviving families to make me question if it's does help or not. Some say they feel justice is finally served, some say that they thought they'd feel that way but simply don't.

Public safety is ensured if this man never walks free.

Justice however, is a much harder to define thing... some cultures advocate an eye for an eye, some advocate forgiveness....

*shrug*

Too lofty a thought for me at this time of day.

Serenity

I agree.

Personally I am against capital punishment, I am for hard labor and when I say hard, I mean tent in the middle of a baking field as a home with back breaking labor every day for the rest of his miserable life.

If I was for capital punishment, this guy would be at least near the front of the line.

io Kukulcan · 01-10-2008, 01:02 PM

it doesn't matter if the death penalty is a deterrant to crime or not; all that matters is people like him don't ever get to enjoy simple things about life, like watching a sunset, or reading a book, or just taking a deep breath.

i just moved to Utah, and they have firing squad here... good times.

Khamon · 01-10-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Grace

I am for hard labor and when I say hard, I mean tent in the middle of a baking field as a home with back breaking labor every day for the rest of his miserable life.

We used to do this until the federal courts declared the solution unconstitutional and forced us to revert to capital punishment.

Asher Bertrand · 01-10-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chalice Yao

I'd want them to rot and suffer and be bumraped for years to come, while I'm alive and knowing that it's taking place.

Dun care about any of that. Don't care about what he "feels," assuming he feels anything. I just want him to stop breathing my air. Some things just really are that bad that they should be dealt with this way. Killing three of your children plus another child you raised from infancy over an argument with your wife/girlfriend - that's one of them. It's not like it was an accident, or a spur of the moment thing. It involved loading the kids into the car, driving to a suitable location, and tossing them one by one OVER A FUCKING BRIDGE. How many times along the way did he have a chance to reconsider and think, "You know, maybe this isn't such a good idea." Even after he killed the first (my god), he could have stopped and saved the other three. Then the other two. Then the other one. But he didn't. Screw that. He needs to stop breathing.

Dancien Graves · 01-10-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Khamon

Oh and we have alligators, not crocodiles.

What? No crocodiles? ANYWHERE? The American Crocodile is a myth?

Matteo Harris · 01-10-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

I think this guy is beyond contempt and inhumane, but what does killing him accomplish for those four kids?

It saves the tax payers allot of money.

$8 bucks for a box of shells, they already own the guns.

Aimee Weber · 01-10-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Grace

Personally I am against capital punishment, I am for hard labor and when I say hard, I mean tent in the middle of a baking field as a home with back breaking labor every day for the rest of his miserable life.

Be careful of the hard labor stuff. If convicts spend too much time pushing the wheel of pain, they get buff like CONAN and then there's gonna be some payback

YouTube - Conan the Barbarian - Wheel of Pain

Cocoanut Koala · 01-10-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Mill

Coco, the scenario you describe does not imply shoot to kill necessarilly. Force the guy to put down the baby, yes. Shoot him on the legs to disable him, yes...

You don't need to kill him.

To Briana: I PMed you last night, I feel your pain, and for sure... if those babies were mine, I most probably kill the guy and cut him into tiny pieces. My opinion, from the beginning, is the rational one.

Oh well, I definitely would shoot to kill.

But that would only be because:

. I'm not a good shot in the first place, so I better.

. Chances are 99% that the guy is bigger than I am; 99.8% that he is strong than I am; and 99.9% that he has more testosterone than I do.

coco

Mordos Yering · 01-10-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

Too unbearably sad.

I'm for the death penalty in cases like this, if guilt is certain.

For a number of reasons, not the least of which is other human beings deserve to have a sense of justice.

That, and my tax dollars won't be used to keep the fucker fed.

Edav Nomad · 01-10-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Khamon

We used to do this until the federal courts declared the solution unconstitutional and forced us to revert to capital punishment.

We even had chain-gangs as of a few years ago, but that was for lesser offenses than murder. Not sure if we still have them or not.

CoyoteMomiji · 01-10-2008, 02:48 PM

(Am I weird for seeing an irony in the fact that a couple of the prominent Christians on this board are pro-death penalty?)

Cocoanut Koala · 01-10-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

Dun care about any of that. Don't care about what he "feels," assuming he feels anything. I just want him to stop breathing my air. Some things just really are that bad that they should be dealt with this way. Killing three of your children plus another child you raised from infancy over an argument with your wife/girlfriend - that's one of them. It's not like it was an accident, or a spur of the moment thing. It involved loading the kids into the car, driving to a suitable location, and tossing them one by one OVER A FUCKING BRIDGE. How many times along the way did he have a chance to reconsider and think, "You know, maybe this isn't such a good idea." Even after he killed the first (my god), he could have stopped and saved the other three. Then the other two. Then the other one. But he didn't. Screw that. He needs to stop breathing.

More details:

He started off leaving the house with the first two, then came back for the second two. (One assumes the mother was at work, and the grandmother was taking care of them.)

He had been arguing with his wife over his drug use and his mistress.

He had previously, in Georgia, actually turned himself in for his own drug use. Then, I believe, fled the state.

The maternal instinct that gets aroused in me when I see pictures of those babies is so huge that I almost can't stand the thought of this happening to them.

Interestingly, I expected the maternal instinct to quieten down as I got older. Apparently it does not; it becomes fiercer and more all-encompassing.

Or may do that only if you have had babies (or gotten babies); I can't tell about that, since I have not not gotten babies.

But it is EXTREMELY difficult for me to view those pictures and not want to take care of and love on those babies even if they had two wonderful parents taking care of them already! That's how strong this instinct is.

Now add to that their deaths, and the manner of them, and we get into incredible nightmare territory for me; I experienced the same problems with Andrea Yates, Lisa Steinberg, and other similar stories. (Which seem to have increased in recent years.)

The only thing that saves me is, ironically, being old enough to have achieved a certain sort of philosophical understanding that there will always be this sort of thing; and as I said earlier, the realization that for them, their pain is over, and God is now giving them far more love than I or their mother or anyone else ever could.

But let me tell you, it hurts like hell to look at those pictures. I can't even begin to imagine what the mother must be going through.

Nonetheless, somehow I'm not interested in making him suffer. I'm just interested in removing the defective unit, as it were; and as soon as possible. I'm not interested in rehabilitation in cases such as these.

coco

Mordos Yering · 01-10-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CoyoteMomiji

(Am I weird for seeing an irony in the fact that a couple of the prominent Christians on this board are pro-death penalty?)

/me contemplates the Crusades, Inquisition, and other madcap hijinks...

I'd say it was perfectly natural.

Asher Bertrand · 01-10-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CoyoteMomiji

(Am I weird for seeing an irony in the fact that a couple of the prominent Christians on this board are pro-death penalty?)

Pfft. The whole religion is predicated on the death penalty.

Cocoanut Koala · 01-10-2008, 03:06 PM

I must have missed that earlier comment.

Is there some reason a Christian is supposed to be against the death penalty, in cases such as these?

I'm for it because (a) I believe it is a deterrent, (b) it is justice (if you are going to knock off babies, you should expect to be knocked off yourself, whether you are nuts or not), (c) it is practical, and (d) it is in the interests of society.

Neither am I a pacifist. I believe in self-defense.

I wonder if I would be considered a "prominent Christian" on these boards. I suppose so, in that anyone who reads enough here would know that I am a Christian, and proclaim myself so.

It's kind of funny, though - because it depends on the context, this sort of "prominent" identification.

In church circles, I would be considered somewhat of a person on the edges, though a committed parent (while the kids were growing up). Not one who normally would go to church much, though.

I would also not be considered very typical of ANY church, in that my beliefs don't coincide perfectly with any. I just basically picked one that came close, and wing the rest of it on faith alone.

But it does remind me of something I found odd not long ago. I forget exactly where it was, but religion was being discussed by friends and my mother, and it was agreed, "Oh, [my real name] is very religious."

I was surprised and flattered by that, but then did think that yes, it is true, in a sense.

But this idea that if you are Christian it means you are supposed to be a doormat, or not defend yourself, or - in this case - be automatically opposed to capital punishment unilaterally in all cases - I just don't get that.

coco

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Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages There is no sanctuary. You may think there is, but there is not. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 6,372 Business: Coco's Cottages SLShopper Ads: 3 Awards: 1	I must have missed that earlier comment. Is there some reason a Christian is supposed to be against the death penalty, in cases such as these? I'm for it because (a) I believe it is a deterrent, (b) it is justice (if you are going to knock off babies, you should expect to be knocked off yourself, whether you are nuts or not), (c) it is practical, and (d) it is in the interests of society. Neither am I a pacifist. I believe in self-defense. I wonder if I would be considered a "prominent Christian" on these boards. I suppose so, in that anyone who reads enough here would know that I am a Christian, and proclaim myself so. It's kind of funny, though - because it depends on the context, this sort of "prominent" identification. In church circles, I would be considered somewhat of a person on the edges, though a committed parent (while the kids were growing up). Not one who normally would go to church much, though. I would also not be considered very typical of ANY church, in that my beliefs don't coincide perfectly with any. I just basically picked one that came close, and wing the rest of it on faith alone. But it does remind me of something I found odd not long ago. I forget exactly where it was, but religion was being discussed by friends and my mother, and it was agreed, "Oh, [my real name] is very religious." I was surprised and flattered by that, but then did think that yes, it is true, in a sense. But this idea that if you are Christian it means you are supposed to be a doormat, or not defend yourself, or - in this case - be automatically opposed to capital punishment unilaterally in all cases - I just don't get that. coco