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Ten · 01-09-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingrid

My mom says people like this should be strung up by their nuts.

Funny, my mother says the exact same thing.

Dnate Mars · 01-09-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aimee Weber

I'm actually very much against this kind of "implied punishment." It's disorganized, unreliable, opaque and goes against the very principals of our criminal justice system.

It's not that I believe we should go easy on criminals, only that if we want to sentence somebody to beatings, torture, gang rape, and a shank in the eye ... then lets just go ahead and sentence them to it and make sure the torture is carried out properly.

If this kind of punishment is the right thing to do, then our conscience will demand it. If such a sentence offends our conscience, then maybe we should think about that for a moment.

But turning a blind eye, nodding and winking is the stuff of banana republics.

If you want him dead, then sentence him to death. The back room vigilante justice is really no justice at all.

Parker McTeague · 01-09-2008, 04:46 PM

no matter how sad this article makes me, i can't condone giving him a death sentence. i don't have the answers but ending another human life won't make things better.

Brig McD · 01-09-2008, 04:50 PM

This man's wife must be devastated. I just can't imagine this. There is no punishment horrible enough for this man.

Briana Dawson · 01-09-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brig McD

This man's wife must be devastated. I just can't imagine this. There is no punishment horrible enough for this man.

I would just die. I would have nothing left at all. No reason to live. I would never survive any grieving period because I would just kill myself.

People who think he deserves to live...Well so did those children.

Beau Perkins · 01-09-2008, 05:34 PM

I am against death penelty in such cases. I do support cruel and unussual punishment.

I would go for this. Take him to that same bridge, throw him off it 4 times, once for each child, just like he did to them.

If he happens to live then lock him up in a cell with no day light for the remainder of his days.

Sarah Nerd · 01-09-2008, 05:56 PM

Kill the son of a bitch. Any one capable of killing a baby, killing there own child is capable of doing horrible horrible things and should not be around other humans or supported by tax payers. I can see the death penalty being misused, or people wrongfully accused being killed so I don't always support it, but in a clear case like this where there is no doubt he committed such a sick and twisted act.... If he was capable of killing his own children, he's capable of anything sick. Kill him.

Asher Bertrand · 01-09-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Parker McTeague

no matter how sad this article makes me, i can't condone giving him a death sentence. i don't have the answers but ending another human life won't make things better.

Won't make 'em any worse, but at least he'll stop breathing my goddamned air.

Seriously. They put dogs down for less.

Ramonna Villota · 01-09-2008, 06:02 PM

anyone ever see Carnivale?

Yar and Feather oh baby that is Justice

Briana Dawson · 01-09-2008, 06:04 PM

The picture of the INFANT he also threw over was not available.

Sure, let this guy live because....because..putting people to death who are guilty of a direct hard evidence murder is wrong.

Briana Dawson · 01-09-2008, 06:07 PM

And here is the guy who you want to feed and house for the rest of his life.

Even though he THREW HIS KIDS OVER A BRIDGE.

Dancien Graves · 01-09-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Briana Dawson

And here is the guy who you want to feed and house for the rest of his life.

Even though he THREW HIS KIDS OVER A BRIDGE.

By feed you mean to crocodiles yes? And by house you mean where they put the crocodile poop right?

Jellin Pico · 01-09-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooz Pascale

I don't believe in capital punishment. However, in this case, he should be get life w/o parole and be sent to the general prison population. His life willnot be worth living and that punishment would be worse than death, I believe. Plus the other prisoners will take care of him.

Sooz

GAWD this is just SICKENING!!!!

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Originally Posted by Dnate Mars

So you don't want the state to humanely kill him, but you don't mind if he gets shanked in the yard and bleeds to death?

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Originally Posted by Sooz Pascale

Yes, that sums it up quite well.

Sooz

Just admit to your hypocrisy. I do it all the time, it's not that bad.

Beau Perkins · 01-09-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramonna Villota

anyone ever see Carnivale?

Yar and Feather oh baby that is Justice

That is my favorite show ever!!! Favorite epidsode as well. I love the scene where Jonesy was healed.

Ok sorry to jump off topic. Other Carnivale fns excite me though.

Serenity · 01-10-2008, 07:53 AM

Why are these always about capital punishment?

Anyways, killing the father won't bring back his children. Nothing will. They're gone, and people need to start the healing process as best they can.

Will executing him help that process? I don't know. I've seen enough post-execution interviews with surviving families to make me question if it's does help or not. Some say they feel justice is finally served, some say that they thought they'd feel that way but simply don't.

Public safety is ensured if this man never walks free.

Justice however, is a much harder to define thing... some cultures advocate an eye for an eye, some advocate forgiveness....

*shrug*

Too lofty a thought for me at this time of day.

Serenity

prinţesă nină · 01-10-2008, 07:55 AM

luong... is that a chinese surname?

no, i do not believe he should be executed.

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Originally Posted by Kristian Ming

Dad threw 4 tots off bridge for revenge, police say

A man angered after a dispute with his wife confessed to tossing his four young children off a bridge, authorities said Wednesday as they searched murky waters for the bodies.

Lam Luong faces four counts of capital murder.

Lam Luong, 37, told authorities that he drove to the Dauphin Island bridge and dropped the children from a span that reaches 80 feet in places, said Detective Scott Rivera.

Missing and presumed dead were 4-month-old Danny Luong; 1-year-old Lindsey Luong; 2-year-old Hannah Luong; and 3-year-old Ryan Phan. Phan is not the man's biological child, but Luong raised him from infancy, authorities said.

Chalice Yao · 01-10-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

Unless there is some kind of psychosis involved, or some other rare thing going on like a drug reaction, he's missing what makes us human.

Funny. Considering all the war, murder, mistreatment, rape and mutilation that goes on daily on this planet and has been brought onto it for millenia, I'd say he's perfectly human, really.

As for the punishment, just let him rot in a mass prison. While the same'd happen if he were death sentenced (does anybody know what the average jailtime for those is that are sentenced to that?), killing him makes no sense. Death penalty executings cost horrendous sums for some reason, and as soon as he's dead, it's no punishment anymore. Not worth that money, to sound a little material here. I kinda like Beau's idea of simply throwing him off the bridge 4 times before putting him into the slammer tho.

Ned Easterwood · 01-10-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sooz Pascale

I don't believe in capital punishment. However, in this case, he should be get life w/o parole and be sent to the general prison population. His life willnot be worth living and that punishment would be worse than death, I believe. Plus the other prisoners will take care of him.

Sooz

GAWD this is just SICKENING!!!!

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Originally Posted by Aimee Weber

I'm actually very much against this kind of "implied punishment." It's disorganized, unreliable, opaque and goes against the very principals of our criminal justice system.

It's not that I believe we should go easy on criminals, only that if we want to sentence somebody to beatings, torture, gang rape, and a shank in the eye ... then lets just go ahead and sentence them to it and make sure the torture is carried out properly.

If this kind of punishment is the right thing to do, then our conscience will demand it. If such a sentence offends our conscience, then maybe we should think about that for a moment.

But turning a blind eye, nodding and winking is the stuff of banana republics.

Wow, you guys are making me do to much thinking so early in the morning.
I don't believe in capital punishment. Period. There are some things that I don't believe the state should have power over. That's the rational political philosopher in me. (That's what my undergrad degree was in. It says Social Science, but the core of the program was, "What should be the form and role of the State? What should be its relationship to the citizens?)
The irrational human - the part of me that says,"Save the babies" - in me goes along with Sooz. The guy is complete and total scum - and that part of me would love to see that happen to him.
But the political philosopher - the rational part of me - goes along with Aimee. Sooz's solution is satisfying - it's revenge - but if the State, acting in our name, is going to take someone's life, we need to be honest about it.
Thus a conundrum for much too early in the morning. If I don't believe in capital punishment, what do we do with people like this?
Thanks guys.
/me sighs.

Briana Dawson · 01-10-2008, 08:34 AM

I'm not reading this thread anymore because it totally derailed my day yesterday.

But if ANY OF YOU anti-death penalty people suffered a horrendous act of murder committed against your close family, like you mother or father or sibling, you may think differently.

Especially if the person was caught red-handed and admitted it to murdering your relatives.

There is no "1 out of every 10 convicts is wrongly sentenced to death row" in a case like this. It is cut and dry - he murdered someones children, someones babies. It is not a circumstantial evidence convictionl like a majority of death row cases. There is NO DOUBT this person is the murderer.

In cases like this. Kill them. If it were my children, I would buy a gun, shoot and kill that person and then shoot myself and be done with it.

Just like I am done with this thread.

Clancy Sullivan · 01-10-2008, 09:12 AM

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I think we can all agree this mofo should be executed

I think we can't all agree on that. I do think we can all agree that punishing persons who have commited crimes should not be left up to those who are directly and emotionally affected by the crime because they cannot be objective. I am not trying to pardon the accused killer, or lessen his punishment but we can't even begin to discuss that issue when we're divided over the fundamental issue of using the death penalty in the first place.

Here's just one of many important point to consider: If you execute this man after finding that he is guilty of the crimes he is accused of but find out a year later that he never did the crime, where are we at then? Instead of three dead we have four, all innocent.

Again, this is only one point to consider, there are other important reasons why I oppose the death penalty and why we all should.

01-09-2008, 04:46 PM	#28 (permalink)
Parker McTeague starring as herself Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 868 SL Join Date: September 28, 2004 Business: Park Life Modern Homes and Interior SLShopper Ads: 8 My Mood:	no matter how sad this article makes me, i can't condone giving him a death sentence. i don't have the answers but ending another human life won't make things better. __________________ also you can read my blog!

01-09-2008, 05:34 PM	#31 (permalink)
Beau Perkins Is a sickly peach color I'm a heretical Jew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CT Posts: 5,963 SL Join Date: 12/24/2003 My Mood:	I am against death penelty in such cases. I do support cruel and unussual punishment. I would go for this. Take him to that same bridge, throw him off it 4 times, once for each child, just like he did to them. If he happens to live then lock him up in a cell with no day light for the remainder of his days. __________________ Living is easy with eyes closed Misunderstanding all you see It's getting hard to be someone, but it all works out It doesn't matter much to me -John Lennon.

01-09-2008, 05:56 PM	#32 (permalink)
Sarah Nerd I BUY LAND Can I play with your land? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Shermerville Posts: 7,071 Harpoon Lagoon Champion! SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood: Awards: 2	Kill the son of a bitch. Any one capable of killing a baby, killing there own child is capable of doing horrible horrible things and should not be around other humans or supported by tax payers. I can see the death penalty being misused, or people wrongfully accused being killed so I don't always support it, but in a clear case like this where there is no doubt he committed such a sick and twisted act.... If he was capable of killing his own children, he's capable of anything sick. Kill him. __________________ www.SarahNerd.com http://www.your2ndplace.com/sarahnerd

01-09-2008, 06:02 PM	#34 (permalink)
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01-10-2008, 07:53 AM	#40 (permalink)
Serenity Logged Out Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,550	Why are these always about capital punishment? Anyways, killing the father won't bring back his children. Nothing will. They're gone, and people need to start the healing process as best they can. Will executing him help that process? I don't know. I've seen enough post-execution interviews with surviving families to make me question if it's does help or not. Some say they feel justice is finally served, some say that they thought they'd feel that way but simply don't. Public safety is ensured if this man never walks free. Justice however, is a much harder to define thing... some cultures advocate an eye for an eye, some advocate forgiveness.... shrug Too lofty a thought for me at this time of day. Serenity __________________ "I don't care, I'm still free; you can't take the sky from me."

01-09-2008, 04:50 PM	#29 (permalink)
Brig McD The SLU Mom Will Be Home Soon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In my house Posts: 10,619 SL Join Date: July 29, 2006 Blog Entries: 1 My Mood:	This man's wife must be devastated. I just can't imagine this. There is no punishment horrible enough for this man.

01-09-2008, 06:04 PM	#35 (permalink)
Briana Dawson Senior Member Loved by printesa Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Springfield, Illinois Posts: 3,432 SL Join Date: September 23, 2003 Business: N&B Exports My Mood: Awards: 1	The picture of the INFANT he also threw over was not available. Sure, let this guy live because....because..putting people to death who are guilty of a direct hard evidence murder is wrong.

01-09-2008, 06:07 PM	#36 (permalink)
Briana Dawson Senior Member Loved by printesa Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Springfield, Illinois Posts: 3,432 SL Join Date: September 23, 2003 Business: N&B Exports My Mood: Awards: 1	And here is the guy who you want to feed and house for the rest of his life. Even though he THREW HIS KIDS OVER A BRIDGE.

01-10-2008, 08:34 AM	#44 (permalink)
Briana Dawson Senior Member Loved by printesa Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Springfield, Illinois Posts: 3,432 SL Join Date: September 23, 2003 Business: N&B Exports My Mood: Awards: 1	I'm not reading this thread anymore because it totally derailed my day yesterday. But if ANY OF YOU anti-death penalty people suffered a horrendous act of murder committed against your close family, like you mother or father or sibling, you may think differently. Especially if the person was caught red-handed and admitted it to murdering your relatives. There is no "1 out of every 10 convicts is wrongly sentenced to death row" in a case like this. It is cut and dry - he murdered someones children, someones babies. It is not a circumstantial evidence convictionl like a majority of death row cases. There is NO DOUBT this person is the murderer. In cases like this. Kill them. If it were my children, I would buy a gun, shoot and kill that person and then shoot myself and be done with it. Just like I am done with this thread.

01-10-2008, 09:18 AM	#46 (permalink)
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