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Lewis Luminos · 11-06-2009, 05:32 AM

I think you're doing the best you can under the circumstances. The contraceptive sounds like a good idea, I didn't know it was possible either.

As for flea medicine, I seem to recall a treatment in an aerosol that you can even spray on a cat that's running past. My mum used to take care of a semi-feral cat when I was a kid and this was what she used for fleas.

**Beebo Brink** · 11-06-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Aisuru Rieko

Thinks thats a very clever kitty bed, Beebo! The contraceptives thing sounds like a good idea, I had no idea there was such a thing, always had my animals fixed before it became an issue.

Unfortunately, when we asked our vet about the contraceptives he said that it was still experimental, has some bad side effects, and for that reason none of the local vets will carry it. So we're back to the neuter option, but some local cat rescue people have been able to steer us toward someone who will provide that for a lower cost than our regular vet hospital.

detrius · 11-06-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Beebo Brink

Unfortunately, when we asked our vet about the contraceptives he said that it was still experimental, has some bad side effects, and for that reason none of the local vets will carry it.

Well, that's weird - I just called a local vet and he told me there wouldn't be any problems.

**eku Zhong** · 11-06-2009, 09:51 AM

about food additive contraception for cats...

Alliance for Contraception in Cats and Dogs - Alliance for Contraception in Cats & Dogs

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According to an interim statement from the highly reputable Alliance for Contraception in Cats &Dogs (ACC&D):

*In numerous studies over three decades, FeralStat's main ingredient (megestrol acetate) has been found to pose serious health risks in cats, including diabetes mellitus, mammary swelling and tumors, uterine disease, pyometra, and skin disorders. Megestrol acetate is not now, nor has it ever been, approved by the FDA for use in cats.

*FeralStat is not yet known to have completed any formal review process or been subjected to acceptable, controlled studies.

* Because it is a food additive, there is no way to control the amount of FeralStat each cat ingests, and there is the risk of ingestion by wildlife and owned pets.

For the full ACC&D interim statement, please see the attached pdf file.

Neighborhood Cats strongly discourages anyone from using this potentially dangerous product for any purpose. For the latest developments in non-surgical sterilization, we recommend relying solely on information gained from the Alliance for Contraception in Cats &Dogs.

detrius · 11-06-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by eku Zhong

about food additive contraception for cats...

Alliance for Contraception in Cats and Dogs - Alliance for Contraception in Cats & Dogs

Ah, crap...

Okay, after finally doing some research myself, I take my suggestion to use contraceptives back.

Great, now I have to figure out how to catch 10 wild cats in my parents' garden and how to get them to the vet before January.

**Roxanne Blue** · 11-06-2009, 02:52 PM

i am surprised the mom is orange - orange cats are usually toms! We have a little black stay we feed in our neighborhood. We have an organization that picks up the stays and neuters then and then releases after notching their ear so we know they have been fixed. Works ok but wish people would think before they let their animals breed - although many people don't think before they breed either - usually the same ones who don't spay their pets - maybe they could get a twofer

**Roxanne Blue** · 11-06-2009, 02:52 PM

oops that was MargoZ posting - forgot we're sharing computer

detrius · 11-06-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Roxanne Blue

i am surprised the mom is orange - orange cats are usually toms!

Well, this kitty definitely is a girl.

Her mother is a tortie and she has a tabby sister. The three of them joined their litters earlier this year which is how we ended up with four additional orange cats (one had to be put to sleep

), a black one, two more torties and another tabby.

**Beebo Brink** · 11-06-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Roxanne Blue

i am surprised the mom is orange - orange cats are usually toms!

That surprised me too, but I haven't gotten around to revisiting the genetics info to see how exactly that happens.

**Ann Launay** · 11-06-2009, 04:03 PM

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The sex-linked orange gene, O, determines if there will be orange fur. This gene is located on the X chromosome. In cats with orange fur, phaeomelanin (orange pigment) completely replaces eumelanin (black or brown pigment).
Males have only one X chromosome, so only have one allele of this gene. O results in orange fur, and o results in non-orange fur.
Since females have two X chromosomes, they have two alleles of this gene. OO results in orange fur, oo results in non-orange fur, and Oo results in a tortoiseshell cat, in which some parts of the fur are orange and others areas non-orange. A cat with Oo and white spotting genes is commonly called a calico. The reason for the patchwork effect in female cats heterozygous for the O gene (Oo) is X-inactivation – one or the other X chromosome in every cell in the embryo is randomly inactivated (see Barr body), and the gene in the other X chromosome is expressed.
Rufous polygenes, as yet unidentified, can affect the richness of the orange gene's expression.

Cat coat genetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Talon DeCuir · 11-07-2009, 09:15 AM

... Must not.... look at black kitty .... must not....

**Beebo Brink** · 11-07-2009, 09:32 AM

The popular image of cats as solitary individuals is obivously not capturing the full picture. As detrius and I are observing first hand, there is a strong matriarchal structure, and that maternal tie can survive into adulthood. Several adult female littermates merging litters, several generations of litters aiding each other in their hunt for food -- all ways to survive taking advantage of a matrix of relationships.

Nephilaine Protagonist · 11-07-2009, 09:51 AM

Here is another interesting few tidbits- The one who secures the highest ground to relax upon is usually the socially dominant cat. Also true for the calmest cat in a conflict- the winner of a showdown is the one that turns their back first. Also watch how they enter an area- the one who walks out into the center of an area is dominant, the ones who walk the perimeters subordinate.

**Vivianne Draper** · 11-07-2009, 09:52 AM

Moar pics pls!

Serious Cat · 11-07-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Beebo Brink

The popular image of cats as solitary individuals is obivously not capturing the full picture. As detrius and I are observing first hand, there is a strong matriarchal structure, and that maternal tie can survive into adulthood. Several adult female littermates merging litters, several generations of litters aiding each other in their hunt for food -- all ways to survive taking advantage of a matrix of relationships.

Cat society is very complex and matriarchial, it couldn't really be partiarchial, since even our mothers would have trouble knowing who was the father of her kittens .

This influence extends right through our interrelationships and can be the cause of problems

detrius · 11-07-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Talon DeCuir

... Must not.... look at black kitty .... must not....

detrius · 11-07-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivianne Draper

Moar pics pls!

I'll take some pictures when I try to catch them next week for a trip to the vet, so you'll hopefully get to see many pics of drugged cats (and probably my scratched arms as well).

**Eboni Khan** · 11-07-2009, 06:35 PM

Is there a college near by? Universities with a Vet school will give them care for free, or at a very low charge.

**Beebo Brink** · 11-07-2009, 07:12 PM

We've dubbed the little one-eyed tabby Cricket and her orange tabby mother is Flora, both names of women pirates. We will schedule Cricket for neutering this week. We're a little concerned she may already be pregnant, so want to avoid her getting any father along.

Thank you so much to the wonderful, generous SLUers who have contributed to this first foray to the vet.

Evola · 11-08-2009, 07:16 AM

Would those contraceptives work on other animals? Skunk specifically?

**Beebo Brink** · 11-08-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Evola

Would those contraceptives work on other animals? Skunk specifically?

Probably not. Hormone interruption is fairly specific, at least so I would think.

detrius · 11-08-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

Is there a college near by? Universities with a Vet school will give them care for free, or at a very low charge.

Uh, my parents live in a small town in a rural area, the next vet college is 100 kilometers in the other direction.

But the local vet is an environmentalist who may neuter them for free or for a reduced fee, especially since they're feral and don't really have owners.

Tess Whitcroft · 11-09-2009, 08:26 PM

Alex Ross has donated the above signed,original artwork to S.W.R.O, a charity dedicated to rescuing animals.

The Saved Whiskers Rescue Organization, Inc. is auctioning the pencil-and-inked Catwoman piece through eBay here (ALEX ROSS ORIGINAL CATWOMAN ART PENCIL & INKED - eBay (item 250524615645 end time Nov-13-09 11:00:44 PST)), the bidding ending on Friday.

In a press release, Alex is quoted as saying

Animal rescue is one of my favorite causes. Saved Whiskers does great work to save the lives of animals in need. Doing this painting for them was also a great excuse for me to illustrate a version of a character I love.

Other charity donations can be made here or paypalled to paypal@savedwhiskersrescue.com.

Alex Ross Draws On Catwoman To Rescue Animals | Bleeding Cool Comic News & Rumors

Tess

detrius · 11-11-2009, 02:56 PM

I have scheduled an appointment for an op next week - so with some luck, two of the cats will get spayed then.

The bad news is that they don't do it for free.

Well, at least I got more pics!

The kitties are getting tamer, yay!

Trout Recreant · 11-11-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Evola

Would those contraceptives work on other animals? Skunk specifically?

No. But if you wear a condom you should be fine.

11-06-2009, 05:32 AM	#26 (permalink)
Lewis Luminos The Gingerbeard Man Ginger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: UK Posts: 3,313 My Mood: SL Join Date: 08/11/2008 Blog Entries: 12	I think you're doing the best you can under the circumstances. The contraceptive sounds like a good idea, I didn't know it was possible either. As for flea medicine, I seem to recall a treatment in an aerosol that you can even spray on a cat that's running past. My mum used to take care of a semi-feral cat when I was a kid and this was what she used for fleas. __________________ -- Just Add Ginger -- -- Plurk -- -- last.fm -- -- flickr --

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Nephilaine Protagonist is full of love. Ketchup is for winners, Ted. Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Port Seraphine Posts: 596 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 99 SL Join Date: I can't remember that far back. Business: PixelDolls	Here is another interesting few tidbits- The one who secures the highest ground to relax upon is usually the socially dominant cat. Also true for the calmest cat in a conflict- the winner of a showdown is the one that turns their back first. Also watch how they enter an area- the one who walks out into the center of an area is dominant, the ones who walk the perimeters subordinate. __________________

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Beebo Brink Uppity Alt SLU Supporter I'm the woman your mother warned you about. Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,873 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 19 SL Join Date: October 2006 Business: Brazen Women Shapes and Skins	We've dubbed the little one-eyed tabby Cricket and her orange tabby mother is Flora, both names of women pirates. We will schedule Cricket for neutering this week. We're a little concerned she may already be pregnant, so want to avoid her getting any father along. Thank you so much to the wonderful, generous SLUers who have contributed to this first foray to the vet. Last edited by Beebo Brink; 11-08-2009 at 08:42 AM. Reason: Last minute name change

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Beebo Brink Uppity Alt SLU Supporter I'm the woman your mother warned you about. Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,873 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 19 SL Join Date: October 2006 Business: Brazen Women Shapes and Skins	The popular image of cats as solitary individuals is obivously not capturing the full picture. As detrius and I are observing first hand, there is a strong matriarchal structure, and that maternal tie can survive into adulthood. Several adult female littermates merging litters, several generations of litters aiding each other in their hunt for food -- all ways to survive taking advantage of a matrix of relationships.

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Tess Whitcroft Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,334 Awards: 1	Alex Ross has donated the above signed,original artwork to S.W.R.O, a charity dedicated to rescuing animals. The Saved Whiskers Rescue Organization, Inc. is auctioning the pencil-and-inked Catwoman piece through eBay here (ALEX ROSS ORIGINAL CATWOMAN ART PENCIL & INKED - eBay (item 250524615645 end time Nov-13-09 11:00:44 PST)), the bidding ending on Friday. In a press release, Alex is quoted as saying Animal rescue is one of my favorite causes. Saved Whiskers does great work to save the lives of animals in need. Doing this painting for them was also a great excuse for me to illustrate a version of a character I love. Other charity donations can be made here or paypalled to paypal@savedwhiskersrescue.com. Alex Ross Draws On Catwoman To Rescue Animals \| Bleeding Cool Comic News & Rumors Tess __________________ Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt

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detrius Senior Member notorious subversive Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 2,306 My Mood:	I have scheduled an appointment for an op next week - so with some luck, two of the cats will get spayed then. The bad news is that they don't do it for free. Well, at least I got more pics! The kitties are getting tamer, yay! Last edited by detrius; 11-11-2009 at 03:04 PM.

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