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Sooz Pascale · 10-26-2007, 04:18 PM

On ething that is disturbing is that it is herd mentality at its worst. People tend to stand, rooted inaction when something awful like this happens, for fear of being seen as "uncool" or whatever.

Chances are that if ONE person had stood up, stepped forward and started berating the idiots, others would have found the courage to step forward too.

One corageous person CAN still make a difference, we all can.

The question is, what will WE do, as individuals next time WE see someone being bullied?

Sooz

**Cristiano** · 10-26-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fmeh

Reading about this made me feel ashamed to be human.

Reading about it definitely shook my faith in humanity. It's heartbreaking - and now a woman who lived a lot of her life in isolation is known of around the world because of what terrible thing happened to her.

Wildefire Walcott · 10-26-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyche Shepherd

Yes thanks, I know its not just here and there have always been people like this but there is a change

There does seem to be a change in that people who were once lone sociopaths are finding each other over the Internet and other media and developing a sort of camaraderie and one-upsmanship. I really can't speak for the rest of the world but in the industrialized nations at least, it appears that more and more (generally young) people seem to approach life like a big videogame. (And I'm thinking more Grand Theft Auto than Dig Dug.) Respect, decorum, silence, and wonder have no place in their world.

EDIT: And regarding Clockwork Orange (a favorite), my parents told me that when they saw that film in Hawaii around the time of its US release, it was rated X. It's ALMOST a PG-13 by today's standards.

Liona Clio · 10-26-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nella engamelrahc

People see the poor and helpless as non-humans. It's a very capitalist thing, a product of a society that focuses upon the individual and not the whole.

Funny, Seems to me this is more about groupthink and fear of being seen as different.

An individual, in my experience, tends to care for others, and has what is considered to be a general sense of right and wrong. A group, however, mutes morality in favor of being accepted.

I might even go so far as to say that this behavior is actually more a communist thing...where the group overrides the individual.

Wildefire Walcott · 10-26-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooz Pascale

On ething that is disturbing is that it is herd mentality at its worst. People tend to stand, rooted inaction when something awful like this happens, for fear of being seen as "uncool" or whatever.

When I was a teen I used to think that "peer pressure" was some kind of hoax. I really didn't believe such a thing existed. It wasn't until I was older and my brother and sister were in junior high and high school that I understood what it really meant- it's an internal pressure, a desire to impress others (or at least not alienate oneself from others) by conforming to their norms. Apparently a lot of people never develop beyond a teenage mentality.

JenK · 10-26-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nella engamelrahc

People see the poor and helpless as non-humans. It's a very capitalist thing, a product of a society that focuses upon the individual and not the whole.

I was going to ask what you were smoking, but then I realized you meant "focuses on the individual" in the selfish me-me-me way, when I was thinking "focuses on the individual" meant focusing on each individual being an equally respectable entity.

Aimee Weber · 10-26-2007, 04:35 PM

Wow. This is cartoonishly nasty. It almost reads like an over-the-top fictional characterature of a "bad guy," only it's not fiction!! Very sad.

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Originally Posted by Tyche Shepherd

It makes me ashamed to be English ... there is an undercurrent in this county which sickens most people but seems to go from strength to strength, personally I can't understand how the mentality of both Anderson and his friends works. The shocking this is this just the tip of the iceburg .. a prominant tip but covering a whole level of people who have no respect for others .

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Originally Posted by Nella engamelrahc

Well, the culture picked up the ball left by Bonny and Cyde (1967) and all those films that used violence to make a point about society, assimilated it into the culture, and removed the message in the process. Graphic violence is an inherenat part of the American pysche (sex on the other hand....), and American pop culture has become very influential. A fish doesn't get surprised by water.

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Originally Posted by Nella engamelrahc

People see the poor and helpless as non-humans. It's a very capitalist thing, a product of a society that focuses upon the individual and not the whole.

I blame global warming.

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Originally Posted by Wildefire Walcott

Sweetie, it's not about being English or American or whatever else. There are dreadful, awful people everywhere. They're the kind of people who, in other countries, or other circumstances, would commit the kind of atrocities that scar the history of human existence. We just have more prevalent news sources. It's a terrible thing happened here, and I do believe that YouTube and cellphone video are tempting folks to be even more callous than they already were... any jackass can find an audience these days.

Human history is filled with horrific acts. It's nothing new.

What *IS* new is that when this guy unleashed his cruel and selfish acts on the poor woman, he was exposed, arrested, tried fairly, and sentenced appropriately to pay for what he did.

Charlemagne Allen · 10-26-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildefire Walcott

When I was a teen I used to think that "peer pressure" was some kind of hoax. I really didn't believe such a thing existed. It wasn't until I was older and my brother and sister were in junior high and high school that I understood what it really meant- it's an internal pressure, a desire to impress others (or at least not alienate oneself from others) by conforming to their norms. Apparently a lot of people never develop beyond a teenage mentality.

I always had the attitude that a lot of the people around me in high school were acting like idiots and ignored it.

**Siobhan OFlynn** · 10-26-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

Reading about it definitely shook my faith in humanity. It's heartbreaking - and now a woman who lived a lot of her life in isolation is known of around the world because of what terrible thing happened to her.

I agree. Reading that broke my heart.

I deal with prison inmates every day and I don't think that even most of them are capable of that level of depravity. The only good thing is, once the other inmates hear what that guy is in for, he will be toast. Inmates have a special place in their hearts (

) for people convicted of harming children, the elderly, the disabled and animals.

I'm sure he'll get what he deserves, when one of the officers isn't watching him.

Clancy Sullivan · 10-26-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

Reading about it definitely shook my faith in humanity. It's heartbreaking - and now a woman who lived a lot of her life in isolation is known of around the world because of what terrible thing happened to her.

Yeah, that is a freaky thought.

Mukatsuku · 10-27-2007, 05:23 AM

I blame the lack of strictness in British law

criminals are not getting hard sentences, especially kids (who are committing too much crime and getting away with it).

I notice this person looks like a standard chav, and it is the chavs that need to be stopped in the UK. It is amazing the percentage of criminals caught in the UK are all in chav style.
Like in Clockwork Orange, with the gang uniforms. Yet, for some reason chavs rarely know they are chavs.

The big problem is that these people are normally out of work, loads of kids, etc but are funded by the government. They are given money for sitting at home and breeding when they should be made to join the rest of society.

Now chavs are in the minority, but they are increasing and should be sterilised.
I love the UK but every time I visit, these people have spread and the police are powerless, because they know when these people are arrested, they will be back out soon enough.
This person and his friends should have been put away for life (and I mean life as in the US jail definition, not the UK definition which is 10 years or so, depending on how well you behave in jail).

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/chavs
http://www.methylblue.com/blog/chavs...ue-of-britain/

Mukatsuku · 10-27-2007, 05:31 AM

This is the sort of thing I mean - the government funds people to do nothing
http://www.rochdaleobserver.co.uk/ne...im_a_star.html

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A lot of the complaints were about the couple's use of foul language, but most of the anger was directed at the fact the unemployed Bardsleys receive £37,500 a year in government benefits.

That is around $80,000 a year, without having to do anything at all

Ewan Took · 10-27-2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mukatsuku

I

I notice this person looks like a standard chav, and it is the chavs that need to be stopped in the UK. It is amazing the percentage of criminals caught in the UK are all in chav style.
Like in Clockwork Orange, with the gang uniforms. Yet, for some reason chavs rarely know they are chavs.

The big problem is that these people are normally out of work, loads of kids, etc but are funded by the government. They are given money for sitting at home and breeding when they should be made to join the rest of society.

Now chavs are in the minority, but they are increasing and should be sterilised.
I love the UK but every time I visit, these people have spread and the police are powerless, because they know when these people are arrested, they will be back out soon enough.
This person and his friends should have been put away for life (and I mean life as in the US jail definition, not the UK definition which is 10 years or so, depending on how well you behave in jail).

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/chavs
http://www.methylblue.com/blog/chavs...ue-of-britain/

You focus too much on the 'chav' thing. I mean what do you suggest? Look them up for wearing fake Burberry baseball caps and trackies? How do you know how he was dressed when he did this mind blowingly atrocious act?

Dress them how you like, but it's still the same problem. Who's going to pay to keep him and his friends in jail for life, plus the jails are full anyway.

Also Sterilised!!? For not having a job? Are you serious? Or not having a job and dresing in trackies. The ultimate fashion police perhaps.

A lot of people are simply unemployable in today's service based economy. The government is trying to link benefits to training which is a start, but cutting benefits completely would not only plunge thousands of children, disabled and elderly into desperate poverty but would cause a crime wave you wouldn't believe. I'm not willing to live in an armed barracks!

It's a deeper problem than how they dress.

Ewan Took · 10-27-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mukatsuku

This is the sort of thing I mean - the government funds people to do nothing
http://www.rochdaleobserver.co.uk/ne...im_a_star.html

That is around $80,000 a year, without having to do anything at all

There will always be cheats and people who work the system. For the majority of Britons, it is a vital safety net that is there in times of need.

Ewan Took · 10-27-2007, 06:40 AM

You'll also be pleased to know that the average life expectancy for a male in the poorer areas of Glasgow is 54 years, compared to 87.7 in the suburbs.

That means they'll not be scrounging for too long. Only thing is the government will have to pay these wealthier people benefits from the age 65 onwards! That will be nearly 23 years of benefits to sit and do nothing!

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=11972006

**Joshua Nightshade** · 10-27-2007, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mukatsuku

This is the sort of thing I mean - the government funds people to do nothing
http://www.rochdaleobserver.co.uk/ne...im_a_star.html

That is around $80,000 a year, without having to do anything at all

That's close to twice what I make a year working 45/50 hours a week.

I'm moving to London.

Tyche Shepherd · 10-27-2007, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

That's close to twice what I make a year working 45/50 hours a week.

I'm moving to London.

yeah

.. of course you do realise you have to become a mother of eight to get this benefit Josh

Clancy Sullivan · 10-27-2007, 07:33 AM

Would National Health pay for the sex change surgery?

Ewan Took · 10-27-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyche Shepherd

yeah

.. of course you do realise you have to become a mother of eight to get this benefit Josh

As well as two of them being disabled!

Tyche Shepherd · 10-27-2007, 07:58 AM

Yes I believe Gender Realignment surgery is available on the NHS - so its a win win situation for Josh

Ewan Took · 10-27-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyche Shepherd

Yes I believe Gender Realignment surgery is available on the NHS - so its a win win situation for Josh

That's Joshina now.

Mukatsuku · 10-27-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

That's close to twice what I make a year working 45/50 hours a week.

I'm moving to London.

Exactly - I know it is not about how they dress, but the majority of these scum DO dress the same and look the same. Believe me, I have spent enough time living in the UK that I can recognise scum from a mile away.

I worked very hard when I was in England, and I did not make as much as these people who are simply breeding for money. They don't give the money to their kids - Blair has made their life much easier than the life of an honest business person. If you work, you need to work hard - if you don't work, relax, the more kids you have, the more money you get.

Mukatsuku · 10-27-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyche Shepherd

yeah

.. of course you do realise you have to become a mother of eight to get this benefit Josh

Or he could marry someone who wants to be a baby farm

Aimee Weber · 10-27-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mukatsuku

I blame the lack of strictness in British law

criminals are not getting hard sentences, especially kids (who are committing too much crime and getting away with it).

I notice this person looks like a standard chav, and it is the chavs that need to be stopped in the UK. It is amazing the percentage of criminals caught in the UK are all in chav style.
Like in Clockwork Orange, with the gang uniforms. Yet, for some reason chavs rarely know they are chavs.

The big problem is that these people are normally out of work, loads of kids, etc but are funded by the government. They are given money for sitting at home and breeding when they should be made to join the rest of society.

Now chavs are in the minority, but they are increasing and should be sterilised.
I love the UK but every time I visit, these people have spread and the police are powerless, because they know when these people are arrested, they will be back out soon enough.
This person and his friends should have been put away for life (and I mean life as in the US jail definition, not the UK definition which is 10 years or so, depending on how well you behave in jail).

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/chavs
http://www.methylblue.com/blog/chavs...ue-of-britain/

Please tell me that a lot of this post was intended to be humorous.

Like this car.

Ewan Took · 10-27-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mukatsuku

Exactly - I know it is not about how they dress, but the majority of these scum DO dress the same and look the same. Believe me, I have spent enough time living in the UK that I can recognise scum from a mile away.

I worked very hard when I was in England, and I did not make as much as these people who are simply breeding for money. They don't give the money to their kids - Blair has made their life much easier than the life of an honest business person. If you work, you need to work hard - if you don't work, relax, the more kids you have, the more money you get.

Utter rubbish. 'Benefit Millionaires' are ridiculous propaganda spouted by right wing nutters. If families like you highlighted were common place here, even I would be immigrating! We all know of someone who's trying to screw the system, but look at how and where they live if you dare enter some of Britain's sink estates.

If you were working for less than £46.85 a week (single person's job seeker's allowance), they were committing a crime by employing you.

10-26-2007, 04:18 PM	#26 (permalink)
Sooz Pascale Long Distance Sailor KJ's Wife Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,093 My Mood: SL Join Date: January 27, 2007	On ething that is disturbing is that it is herd mentality at its worst. People tend to stand, rooted inaction when something awful like this happens, for fear of being seen as "uncool" or whatever. Chances are that if ONE person had stood up, stepped forward and started berating the idiots, others would have found the courage to step forward too. One corageous person CAN still make a difference, we all can. The question is, what will WE do, as individuals next time WE see someone being bullied? Sooz __________________ Nothing sickens me more than the closed door of a library - Barbara Tuchman

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Mukatsuku worried homesick Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 兵庫、日本 Posts: 10,147 My Mood:	I blame the lack of strictness in British law criminals are not getting hard sentences, especially kids (who are committing too much crime and getting away with it). I notice this person looks like a standard chav, and it is the chavs that need to be stopped in the UK. It is amazing the percentage of criminals caught in the UK are all in chav style. Like in Clockwork Orange, with the gang uniforms. Yet, for some reason chavs rarely know they are chavs. The big problem is that these people are normally out of work, loads of kids, etc but are funded by the government. They are given money for sitting at home and breeding when they should be made to join the rest of society. Now chavs are in the minority, but they are increasing and should be sterilised. I love the UK but every time I visit, these people have spread and the police are powerless, because they know when these people are arrested, they will be back out soon enough. This person and his friends should have been put away for life (and I mean life as in the US jail definition, not the UK definition which is 10 years or so, depending on how well you behave in jail). http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/chavs http://www.methylblue.com/blog/chavs...ue-of-britain/ __________________ -- My Sims Exchange - http://www.thesims3.com/mypage/Mukatsuku My Photography/Graphics Design - http://www.zedpeejay.com Meet-me wiki - http://meetme-english.wetpaint.com

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Ewan Took watch out for that..... ............ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ......... Posts: 3,227	You'll also be pleased to know that the average life expectancy for a male in the poorer areas of Glasgow is 54 years, compared to 87.7 in the suburbs. That means they'll not be scrounging for too long. Only thing is the government will have to pay these wealthier people benefits from the age 65 onwards! That will be nearly 23 years of benefits to sit and do nothing! http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=11972006 Last edited by Ewan Took; 10-27-2007 at 06:52 AM.

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