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View Poll Results: Large Hadron Collider: Turn it on?
Yes, for SCIENCE! 47 62.67%
Wait, did you say it could destroy the planet?? 19 25.33%
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Old 10-19-2007, 12:05 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 10-19-2007, 12:08 AM   #27 (permalink)
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The real misunderstanding here is that when scientists say "there is a small chance" that something will happen, it doesn't mean what normal people think it means.

Tell a normal person that there is a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a percent chance that something might happen and they will say "it's impossible. That can't happen."

A scientist will say "there is a small chance it will happen."

The probability of the LCH destroying the Earth is less than the chance of you winning the lottery every day for the next year.

Turn it on and don't lose any sleep.
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Old 10-19-2007, 12:18 AM   #29 (permalink)
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...Turn it on and don't lose any sleep.
That's what you said last time and here we are again 14 billion years later ready to plunk down our last chip in Vegas.

Funny side note: SC never closed down last time. I mean, not until everything else went down the drain, too.
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That's what you said last time and here we are again 14 billion years later ready to plunk down our last chip in Vegas.

Funny side note: SC never closed down last time. I mean, not until everything else went down the drain, too.
On the bright side, maybe next time Gore will actually get to be President!
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Well, yeah that's possible. And, maybe Ruby Tuesday will run SC but she won't close it down just when it gets good.



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Well, yeah that's possible. And, maybe Ruby Tuesday will run SC but she won't close it down just when it gets good.



Whoa! Sorry, He-he Going a little overboard again.
D00d, it got good LONG before it closed down.

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The general idea is that this collider will create tiny black holes which SHOULD instantly dissipate out of existence. But some theorize there is a chance these tiny black holes will stick around, and grow by consuming everything (us, for example.) There are also a few other scenarios including the creation of Strangelets, strange matter, and magnetic monopoles ... all potential disasters.

So what do you all think? Should we turn it on?

The "general" idea is that it will not create black holes due to the energy being too low. It is the few scientists coming up with less accepted theories that think it may be able to create small black holes.

As black holes were 100% theory until very recently, I doubt scientists could create one yet.

Definitely, turn it on.
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The "general" idea is that it will not create black holes due to the energy being too low. It is the few scientists coming up with less accepted theories that think it may be able to create small black holes.

As black holes were 100% theory until very recently, I doubt scientists could create one yet.

Definitely, turn it on.

I am soooo hoping that it does create some black holes, as that would be proof of higher dimensions, which would be proof for String Theory.
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I am soooo hoping that it does create some black holes, as that would be proof of higher dimensions, which would be proof for String Theory.
What about fabricated black holes as WMD's? What if someone wanted to take out, say, Vancouver (lol)? Don't we already have enough worries with nuclear arms?

Ok, serious now: I am in favor of throwing the switch, after reading about this issue. Crossing my fingers, though.
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No one remembers the lesson of the Titanic it seems-which BTW was that it was considered unsinkable. Great arrogence does go...

But as death wishes go this is pretty campy.
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...But as death wishes go this is pretty campy.
Yeah, this is, like, the hole enchilada.



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The "general" idea is that it will not create black holes due to the energy being too low. It is the few scientists coming up with less accepted theories that think it may be able to create small black holes.
Yeah I read that on the wiki but that's not what I am hearing other places. Some think the thing could produce a black hole anywhere from once a second to once a day. Nobody is certain what they are going to see but tiny black holes are definitely on the table as a realistic possibility.

It is, however, very unlikely that there will be dangerous results. Here are a few more good links:

http://www.livescience.com/environme...ack_holes.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/blackhole-01b.html
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No one remembers the lesson of the Titanic it seems-which BTW was that it was considered unsinkable. Great arrogence does go...

But as death wishes go this is pretty campy.
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Yeah I read that on the wiki but that's not what I am hearing other places. Some think the thing could produce a black hole anywhere from once a second to once a day. Nobody is certain what they are going to see but tiny black holes are definitely on the table as a realistic possibility.

It is, however, very unlikely that there will be dangerous results. Here are a few more good links:

http://www.livescience.com/environme...ack_holes.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/blackhole-01b.html
It certainly would be interesting if they could make one, however, the black holes that suck in planets and light are created by collapsing stars, so I don't see how they could manage to make anything seriously dangerous. There isn't enough mass on the planet to make a full black hole and the sun is too far from us for it to be damaged. (of course, destroying earth would be pretty bad, but what I mean is that we think of black holes as these amazing forces of nature, capable of destroying all in their path, but those are created by stars. Anything created on Earth would be pretty unimpressive to the average person and are not going to suck anything of any size into them).

Sorry for the bad explanation and thank you for pointing me to some very interesting articles.

For anybody who is interested, here is the super collider I live a few minutes from
http://www.spring8.or.jp/en/?set_language=en&cl=en
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Muka, because you live near a collider you would be the perfect person to join the newest doomsday society.



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It certainly would be interesting if they could make one, however, the black holes that suck in planets and light are created by collapsing stars, so I don't see how they could manage to make anything seriously dangerous. There isn't enough mass on the planet to make a full black hole and the sun is too far from us for it to be damaged. (of course, destroying earth would be pretty bad, but what I mean is that we think of black holes as these amazing forces of nature, capable of destroying all in their path, but those are created by stars. Anything created on Earth would be pretty unimpressive to the average person and are not going to suck anything of any size into them).

Sorry for the bad explanation and thank you for pointing me to some very interesting articles.

For anybody who is interested, here is the super collider I live a few minutes from
http://www.spring8.or.jp/en/?set_language=en&cl=en
and on google maps
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...&t=k&z=13&om=1
My town is at the top right, one page across
Some of the proposed disaster scenarios do seem a tad .. arrogant .. don't they?

Still. All those whiney Europeans in the forum and at the blog? They might be just about to go *poof*. Enjoy baiting us while you can.

I wonder if CERN's blog is full of zoMG sky is falling comments right now.
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