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Old 01-08-2017, 09:34 AM   #51 (permalink)
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My other maxim: "Never surprise anyone". That's what most of the law is about, anyways.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:44 AM   #52 (permalink)
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The law almost has to be broken around here (South NJ) as far as speed limits go. If you are not going 10 miles over the limit on the interstates and 5 mph over on most other major highways you are not keeping up with the flow of traffic when it is light to medium.
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When I visited Illinois/Wisconsin, the original plan would be that I would drive since it appeared from online searches that my European driver's license was acceptable. My American friend ended up driving the rest of my stay after just one trip down the road to get coffee and donuts. It definitely looked to me like traffic lights are optional in Chicagoland.


Note: I'm not saying Chicagoland drivers were specifically worse drivers than other areas I've been to. Nothing beats Rome and other urban areas in Italy out of the places I've been to for general driving and parking skills. But it was the only place I've been to where stop lights specifically were treated that way.
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My other maxim: "Never surprise anyone". That's what most of the law is about, anyways.
That's good! I think those plus the following would cover most everything.

I was talking to a truck driver friend about defensive driving. He probably knows something about it, since he has covered over a million miles without an accident.

He's one of those long pauses, not much to say but when he says it it's heavy kinda guys.

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T: "...........if I don't get close to it ........"

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T" ".......... I can't hit it."

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My other maxim: "Never surprise anyone". That's what most of the law is about, anyways.
I learned this:
All Good Kids Love Milk or alternatively All Greedy Kids Love Money.

1. (A)im high in steering
2. (G)et the big picture
3. (K)eep your eyes moving
4. (L)eave yourself an out
5. (M)ake sure they see you

Here is a good description of each.
http://ritzel.siu.edu/courses/302s/S...mithSystem.pdf
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Old 01-08-2017, 11:52 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Columbia, SC is exceptional about people running red lights. It seems to be most common when people are trying to turn left at a light that just turned red. Downtown Columbia is also a pain to drive in because of the pedestrians that just cross the street whenever and wherever they want to.
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The law almost has to be broken around here (South NJ) as far as speed limits go. If you are not going 10 miles over the limit on the interstates and 5 mph over on most other major highways you are not keeping up with the flow of traffic when it is light to medium.
That's why there's left lanes, for people to go around you.
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I learned this:
All Good Kids Love Milk or alternatively All Greedy Kids Love Money.

1. (A)im high in steering
2. (G)et the big picture
3. (K)eep your eyes moving
4. (L)eave yourself an out
5. (M)ake sure they see you

Here is a good description of each.
http://ritzel.siu.edu/courses/302s/S...mithSystem.pdf
I'm a bus driver and I learned this stuff. Most of it is pretty intuitive and easy to understand. Though the Aim high in steering part refers to the importance of keeping your eyes up, away from your phone, above your dashboard, above the hood of your car.
The way our eyes work, we have greater peripheral vision in the lower field than in the upper. It extends further down from the center than the upper field extends up. I believe it developed this way because, historically, threats to us have always been much more likely to come from the ground than from the sky.
So..... I guess pilots might learn something different.
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some do, but they run down faster than you might think, although I imagine the newer LED ones last significantly longer.
Regular Red/Yellow/Green traffic lights use 25W on LED power. The equivalent of a car battery would run them for 40 hours. Just depends how big a battery you want to install.
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Regular Red/Yellow/Green traffic lights use 25W on LED power. The equivalent of a car battery would run them for 40 hours. Just depends how big a battery you want to install.
is that per enclosure? if so I imagine that most of them wouldn't bother using more than 1-2 / intersection since it's well above the average time to power restoration (which from memory is ~5hrs? in most places)
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By far the worst driving situation I encountered was in New Orleans after Katrina. All of the four way stop signs had been blown down, and previous residents knew to stop there and expected others to stop there. Contractors fixing stuff had no idea that signs were ever there, because they were from out of state. No one thought about "hey maybe that stop sign is no longer there/hey maybe there was a stop sign here once."

Obviously not a normal situation, but no one was morally at fault for all of that. Legally it's another story, of course.
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We have stop signs painted in the road as well as on signs. Unless there's no road, the sign is still effective.
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is that per enclosure? if so I imagine that most of them wouldn't bother using more than 1-2 / intersection since it's well above the average time to power restoration (which from memory is ~5hrs? in most places)
I'm not sure I understand the question. Street lights normally get their power from the grid, and are controlled by a box on the roadside. There's typically room in the box for several car batteries, or the equivalent in Lithium-ion, which would be smaller.

If you mean by enclosure "set of three lights facing in one direction", I think that's what the 25W value was for. Multiply by however many sets of lights there are for a total intersection.
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One way to decrease power draw, and increase battery life if an extended outage happens, is to put the lights in failure mode if the power goes out for longer than a few minutes, flashing red until power is restored. This should cut the power draw in half.
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One way to decrease power draw, and increase battery life if an extended outage happens, is to put the lights in failure mode if the power goes out for longer than a few minutes, flashing red until power is restored. This should cut the power draw in half.
I don't see the advantage to them flashing red rather than being off completely.
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I'm not sure I understand the question. Street lights normally get their power from the grid, and are controlled by a box on the roadside. There's typically room in the box for several car batteries, or the equivalent in Lithium-ion, which would be smaller.

If you mean by enclosure "set of three lights facing in one direction", I think that's what the 25W value was for. Multiply by however many sets of lights there are for a total intersection.
yes, one unit of R/Y/G lights. the rest was just commentary on practice... power loss to UPS configuration, and city planners wanting to save the most money possible, and simplify maintenance tends to override what's possible.

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I don't see the advantage to them flashing red rather than being off completely.
logically there shouldn't be, but realistically, weather and people's inattention tend to make a mess of things
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I don't see the advantage to them flashing red rather than being off completely.
The advantage is visibility. With them flashing, they'll be seen and (hopefully) responded to appropriately. With them completely off, they won't be seen, particularly in the dark, and people will just fly right through the intersection unchecked. Even in daylight, there are a surprising number of people who don't seem to know that traffic lights, when out, should be treated as a four-way stop. Flashing red makes it pretty clear what's supposed to happen.
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I don't see the advantage to them flashing red rather than being off completely.
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We have stop signs painted in the road as well as on signs. Unless there's no road, the sign is still effective.

You know, where I live now we have the lines indicating to stop painted on the road too. I wonder why they didn't in New Orleans. Granted, the roads there were some of the most terrible I've ever seen (Uptown area, if anyone is curious)
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Granted, the roads there were some of the most terrible I've ever seen (Uptown area, if anyone is curious)
I've only been to New Orleans a few times as a tourist. Does Uptown mean above sea level?
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Among the many things people "learn" when becoming drivers, is that flashing red lights are equivalent to stop signs. Some of them even respect that. Flashing reds is definitely better than darkness.
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I've only been to New Orleans a few times as a tourist. Does Uptown mean above sea level?
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Sorry, I have a follow-up question. Is it legal to overtake on either side in the USA ?
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So I was riding with a friend the other day and at the first red light he floors it and Zoooom right thru it. I looked at him kinda odd and he said "Don't worry my brother drives like this all the time", the next red light.. ZOOOOM.. again "Don't worry, my brother never got in a accident doing this". We come up to the next intersection and I was bracing for another blast when the light turned green and he slammed on his brakes. SCREEEEECH.. When I looked over at him he said "My brother might be coming the other way"
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