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Old 12-27-2012, 09:09 PM   #26 (permalink)
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But in the end it has to be The Beatles who are the greatest Rock band of all time. In every way I can think of measuring the Greatest they come out on top. They changed EVERYTHING.
Not every way. They stopped doing gigs in 68 and all their best music came out after that.
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Ughhhh fuck Led Zeppelin.
Oh, many did, Lo, and many more wanted to.
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Led Zep is also very close. Not only did they influence a lot of other bands.. they also helped to create punk music as a "negative" influence.
True, although at the same time, for the Ramones at least:

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Johnny Ramone: The Ramones were never anti-Led Zeppelin. Maybe "anti-groups-who-just-aped Led Zeppelin." Everything in the ‘70s was moving towards all that. FM radio was promoting an album rock format. We wanted to record something kids could dance to. But, Jimmy Page: His playing is truly amazing. I could never play at that level. I don’t try to imitate him, but I listen to him a lot.
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If you are going to pick "The Greatest Rock Band in History" the first thing you need to do is set down some limiting qualifications because there are just too many great bands out there.

1) They need to be a ROCK band. The Beatles were truly great but truth be told they were mostly a Pop band. While P-Funk could rock when they wanted to they also were not primarily a rock band.

2) Hits. You can't really be "The Greatest Rock Band in History" if lots of folks didn't like (and buy) your music.

3) Continuing popularity over time. A greatest band would continue to be popular to generation after generation.

What bands would qualify for those three things?

Led Zeppelin
The Who
ZZ Top
The Moody Blues
Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
Heart
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I love Led Zeppelin, worship Queen, wouldn't have made it through my teens without Pink Floyd, BUT y'all forgot about The Band and Big Brother and the Holding Company.
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If you are going to pick "The Greatest Rock Band in History" the first thing you need to do is set down some limiting qualifications because there are just too many great bands out there.

1) They need to be a ROCK band. The Beatles were truly great but truth be told they were mostly a Pop band. While P-Funk could rock when they wanted to they also were not primarily a rock band.

2) Hits. You can't really be "The Greatest Rock Band in History" if lots of folks didn't like (and buy) your music.

3) Continuing popularity over time. A greatest band would continue to be popular to generation after generation.

What bands would qualify for those three things?

Led Zeppelin
The Who
ZZ Top
The Moody Blues
Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
Heart
...

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The Beatles were still a rock and roll band. Usually on the more pop end of the rock spectrum, true, and in comparison to the hard rock of the 70's they seem a bit softer, but they were still a rock band.
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The Beatles were still a rock and roll band. Usually on the more pop end of the rock spectrum, true, and in comparison to the hard rock of the 70's they seem a bit softer, but they were still a rock band.
Here is the U.S. version of the top 10 best selling Beatles songs in order as they sold.

01 Hey Jude
02 I Want To Hold Your Hand
03 Get Back
04 Can't Buy Me Love
05 Yesterday
06 Hello Goodbye
07 We Can Work It Out
08 I Feel Fine
09 Help!
10 She Loves You

Any rock tunes in that list?

In fact I can't think of a Beatles tune I would call ROCK although I am sure there must be some.

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For me, hands down has to be Black Sabbath:

black sabbath-children of the grave - YouTube
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Evidence? Freddy Mercury.

Now, go ahead and argue about who comes in second and third behind Queen.

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If you are going to pick "The Greatest Rock Band in History" the first thing you need to do is set down some limiting qualifications because there are just too many great bands out there.

1) They need to be a ROCK band. The Beatles were truly great but truth be told they were mostly a Pop band. While P-Funk could rock when they wanted to they also were not primarily a rock band.

2) Hits. You can't really be "The Greatest Rock Band in History" if lots of folks didn't like (and buy) your music.

3) Continuing popularity over time. A greatest band would continue to be popular to generation after generation.

What bands would qualify for those three things?

Led Zeppelin
The Who
ZZ Top
The Moody Blues
Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
Heart
...

Tess
If you have a definition of rock that excludes any R&B elements, take ZZ Top of the list. ZZ Top is primarily a blues band.

It is also difficult to separate out rock from pop of one of your criteria for a great rock band is success on the pop charts. Most of the rest of the bands on that list had significant pop chart success.
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For me, hands down has to be Black Sabbath:

black sabbath-children of the grave - YouTube
Ya know, I never liked Black Sabbath. Not one single album, not even a single song. I even disliked the whole "Prince of Darkness" poser nonsense. But I can't deny their Rock cred, nor their lasting (if mysterious to me) popularity. By the criteria I stated they would seem to qualify.

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Here is the U.S. version of the top 10 best selling Beatles songs in order as they sold.

01 Hey Jude
02 I Want To Hold Your Hand
03 Get Back
04 Can't Buy Me Love
05 Yesterday
06 Hello Goodbye
07 We Can Work It Out
08 I Feel Fine
09 Help!
10 She Loves You

Any rock tunes in that list?

In fact I can't think of a Beatles tune I would call ROCK although I am sure there must be some.

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Other than the ballads, yeah, those are all considered rock and roll. Sure you can nuace it more like pop-rock, beat, cross-over, etc. But it's still in the same vein and genre as Elvis, Buddy Holly, Bill Haley, Richie Valens, Chuck Berry, etc.

Pop music at the time the Beatles were around was really more artists like Brenda Lee, Petula Clark, Tom Jones, Bobby Vinton, Sandie Shaw, etc.
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I don't want to derail or anything, but

Bobby Vinton? Aaaaargh!
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If you have a definition of rock that excludes any R&B elements, take ZZ Top of the list. ZZ Top is primarily a blues band.

It is also difficult to separate out rock from pop of one of your criteria for a great rock band is success on the pop charts. Most of the rest of the bands on that list had significant pop chart success.
Well, one simply can't separate the blues from rock but R&B is a different animal and ZZ Top is NOT an R&B act in any way shape or form.

And Pop bands certainly do Rock tunes and Rock bands will have some Pop hits. It is the nature of the beast. Hard and fast lines may not be possible but one can consider the bulk and body of any bands work to determine where they think they would fit.

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I don't want to derail or anything, but

Bobby Vinton? Aaaaargh!
Okay, I gotta do it.

Bobby Vinton was a 20th century crooner. And not a good one at that. Please don't ever, ever mention his name again. Ever. Please.
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Other than the ballads, yeah, those are all considered rock and roll. Sure you can nuance it more like pop-rock, beat, cross-over, etc. But it's still in the same vein and genre as Elvis, Buddy Holly, Bill Haley, Richie Valens, Chuck Berry, etc.

Pop music at the time the Beatles were around was really more artists like Brenda Lee, Petula Clark, Tom Jones, Bobby Vinton, Sandie Shaw, etc.
When you go back to the 50's or earlier you are in an era when rock was just being born. A lot of the elements of rock could be seen in in any number of artists. Many consider this the first rock n roll song published...


But black artists were playing this way back to the 30's.

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For me, hands down has to be Black Sabbath:

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Cindy...

You're close, but no cigar.

Greatest Rock Band would be The Yardbirds....

Just look at the guitar greats who passed through it..

Clapton, Beck, Page...

And of course, their final lineup of Page, Plant, Jones and Bonham renamed themselves Led Zeppelin in October 68...

So yeah Zep were in a way the greatest, but moreso because they were the continuation of the Yardbirds.
You make a very good point.


Wow, has musical style changed over the generations.
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Let's go a little further back in time:

Blue Cheer - Summertime Blues - YouTube

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This band makes Metallica look like nipple craving babies.
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Wow, has musical style changed over the generations.
That's what makes these kinds of declarations pretty meaningless. The bands I think are most important historically speaking are those that pioneered or popularized new sub-genres and styles, and even then it's hard to narrow it to a single band in terms of influence, and it gets a lot harder as time goes on because of all the cross pollination between various sub-genres.
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While P-Funk could rock when they wanted to they also were not primarily a rock band.
I'll just leave this here, then.

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I liked U2 when they were a political band. So basically everything from The Joshua Tree and before.

As far as Greatest Rock Band ever? In terms of popularity? Or they came, they saw, they changed the whole fucking game?

Well that's easy.

In terms of popularity:
This should have an * next to it. It should read "From The Black Album and before* because afterwards is fucking garbage.

In terms of "Changed the whole fucking game"
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