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Old 06-20-2014, 05:48 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 06-20-2014, 05:49 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Old 06-20-2014, 05:49 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Closed source could be a positive, since the current system has been handicapped from the very beginning by the original team using everything they could get for free to build it. Not being open source means it might have a real engine under the hood.

Don't let any kind of common sense get in the way of hysteria.
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Old 06-20-2014, 05:49 PM   #29 (permalink)
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however, the community should be fine if the Lindens end up listening to the customers.
Indeed, LL is famous for nothing if not for its' customer service
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btw they have been working on this a while. I heard talk of this when Rodvik was still CEO.
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Old 06-20-2014, 05:54 PM   #31 (permalink)
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What about the engine? Nvdia's gotten into the business of porting Source games to tablets recently. I would suppose the Lab is doing something similar. I wanna say something about using DirectX instead of OpenGL or doing something similar to id's Tech 5 engine if they're sticking with OpenGL. Hmm. Many questions.
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Honestly, people are just going to reupload their shit.
Yeah, but will everyone buy all their shit over again?
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Will everyone buy low-res (and probably blocky) copies of the shit they already own all over again, more like...
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Ebbe Linden please come in and say the new VW will not be a graphical step backwards so this rumor can die early.
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I am writing this while I am in Hi Fidelity, watching and listening to a concert in the club there. It's really still pretty alpha, but it feels like a new frontier.
Wonder what LL is about here ?
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Will everyone buy low-res (and probably blocky) copies of the shit they already own all over again, more like...
Hah, you know how "users" work. Most users don't have any requirements or quality standards. They will just buy whatever looks good to them.

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Ebbe Linden please come in and say the new VW will not be a graphical step backwards so this rumor can die early.
Yes please. Destroy it so i can sleep again.
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What about the engine?
No graphics engine was mentioned. But scripting did. They will have a modern scripting language implemented on top of mono.

The whole discussion started when I asked about chances of C# project ever getting revived, when Ebbe revealed the work on the next gen world.

I can only speculate, but Unity3D sounds like perhaps something that could match their needs.
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The closed source thing... heyho no Firestorm anymore... but on the other hand... if they give us crapy default graphics which would be very easy to fix if shaders/code/settings were open or in reach and don't allow us to customize these like it is currently in SL... then gg. This will go to trash faster than anything... i don't want to run around with super blur depth of field and greyish grey color palette.

No "Black Dragon" either... I'm sure all 20 users will be devastated...
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All I can say.. is wait for the movie!...

No really.. there's a video of the meeting being uploaded.. should be available soon, for sure it will be linked in here and you will all watch it and THEN make your conclusions.

Probably best not to make conclusions yet though unless you were there.

Also... this new platform is likely at least a year or two away from any form of official release and as long as 'our' second life is still profitable it wouldn't make sense for LL to can it.

Keep it profitable.
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Oh great. Does this mean a new backwards-incompatible version of SLU too?
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Yeah, but will everyone buy all their shit over again?
In all reality they probably don't want everyone to buy their shit all over again. My guess is they want to be rid of us pesky kids once and for all. Nothing would make them happier than for SL users to stay in SL and not migrate. Then all the new consumers will finally come flooding in without goreans and furries to chase them off.

To be honest, I don't really have a problem with this except that it indicates the bulk of resources are being put into this while SL gets a small team under Oz (ffs Oz). So the product still responsible for the majority of their income and success? The only product they can still point to as an accomplishment? We get Oz. This much bigger user base they've been chasing forever and never been able to get? They get the bulk of focus and resources.

I think Linden Lab believes that in order to upgrade SL you'd have to alienate the people who pay for it (land holders would cry if SIMs were priced what they should be and affordable for everyone, content creators would wail if avatar 2.0 were introduced). Plus there are a lot of architecture problems that must make it much more sexy to just start over from scratch. Sometimes it really is easier to build a new house from scratch than to patch up an old one.

My biggest concerns revolve around what the TOS will be concerning user created content, if a much bigger safety net will be implemented to weed out illegitimate content and if they're going to hire art direction, technical writing, and advertising professionals. Are they going to steer the creator community toward responsible content creation practices by implementing common sense restrictions? I also find it disheartening that they're talking about making it a closed off product because a lot of the innovation in SL only happens because the third party community pushes them into it.

None of that is hysteria, it's logical concern.

I don't mind them working on "the next big thing." I mind them doing the bare minimums on their flagship product while they chase the same fucking white whale over and over.
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