WarKirby Magojiro

New Release Candidate Viewer: 1.20 RC0 Available « Official Second Life Blog

Comments to follow in a few mins. I wanted to make a thread about it before someone else did.

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Yes. It's fucking dazzle. With no changes that I can see, they've decided to stick it in a release candidate. Still bright and painful to look at as ever. However it DOES have (unsupported) support for custom skinning via the XMl files. Which will apparently be worked on and implement full custom skins. I'm hoping that'll be done by the time they decide to stick this viewer as the main, so the stupid shiny UI is optional. Guess we'll have to see..

As I mentioned before, in another thread, this is pretty much just a formality to make things more user friendly. The functionality has existed for a few weeks now.

This looks interesting. 3d input devices...
holo-suits and such, perhaps >.> ?

useful shit actually. This is the first time I can remember installing a new viewer and not being spammed with
SETUP VOICE.
DO YOU WANT TO ENABLE MEDIA
THIS IS THE CHAT BAR

it's refreshing actually.

now what the fucking fuck is this. I now cannot find any way to map people. Does anyone know how else to do it, other than through that menu on the map? What the fuck are they thinking.
This is annoying, though I can see how new users would find it useful.

this is useful too. If someone goes offline while you're talking to them in Im, "X is offline" appears in the IM window, assuming you have permission to see their online status.

This might seem insignificant, but they've just gone and nerfed a whole class of weapons. Not entirely broken, but this should spell the end of unseaters.

General good things.

Now this. This may be a problem. On one hand, it does seem llogical. But a lot of things, like Ryozu's Omniphaze, and every single sword on samurai island, use double tapping for their own purposes. I think this may cause problems with some control scripts.

meh

This is good. the statistics bar can now be moved around and resized. I always wondered why it wasn't like this in the first place.

This looks silly. It just sticks a big grey box around the progress bar, with no discernible purpose, and it looks ugly.
meh
List of fixes:

I'm just going to comment on important things from here on down

As chalice pointed out the other day, this was merely a viewerside restriction. And the build height had already been raised when H4 went out. This just makes the viewer aware of that.

Now this is something which was originally "fixed" and now is reverting. I like it this way, though. so I think this is a good change. This basically means when you're looking at a texture in inventory, it will now stretch to fill whatever size the window is, rather than keeping it's aspect ratio.

This is good. I was getting annoyed by this.

Thankfully, they didn't change the effect glow has on particles. I'm not sure if the particle/glow interaction is "correct" as is, but I like it

annoying. good to fix. This could cause you to lose a good snapshot. And sometimes the right moment only comes along once, so it's a terrible thing to lose.

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Hell yes. The days of crappy aliased vendor pics should be at an end soon. I was wishing we had this only yesterday. It's about damn time.

It's under the "Hardware Options" section in the graphics menu, btw.
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Ok, this is interesting. It puts a number above every avatar's head, representing how "costly" they are to render.
In addition, when you mute someone , their avatar now turns into a grey 2D sprite


Aside from that, the rest of the release notes is a few fixes for video card errors, and some source changes that 95% of people don't understand or care about. doesn't seem to be anything important there.

If you were having issues with constant crashing or being unable to login, etc. Try this client. It might fix it.

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Djarum Tigerpaw

HOLY F***! they messed up the only viewer that worked fine for my mac, dazzle First Look! Son of a Bastard!

now i have this GLITCHY triangle shat blinking on the top left hand corner! its effin annoying. Windlight SUCKS MAJOR DONKEY BALLS! Don't force me to use that SHAT!

WarKirby Magojiro

Updated the OP

Augustus Charron

A simple way to map someone is to open their profile, the option to "View on Map" is still available.

WarKirby Magojiro

Updated it again. And I'm going to draw special attention to the last item, in case people can't be bothered reading the wall of text:

This provides a metric to measure the impact of things by, The implications for this are huge.

Incidentally, it's NOT my hair that's causing problems. It's the INVISIBLE katana I was holding, adding over 1000 to the render cost.

My hair adds a more respectable 600 or so. And now that I have a metric to measure it by, I can work on optimising it and reducing that.


If you make attachments of ANY SORT, you need to be using this client and checking your render cost now. And optimising costly things is a really good idea.

This seems to be a measurement of attachment render weight only. Currently testing, but so far, I've found a few things:

An avatar with no attachments has a render cost of exactly 1
Animations do not affect the value.

Haven't confirmed yet, but I don't think particle emission alters it either. So likely, only textures and geometry.

WarKirby Magojiro

Have you opened a jira about your issues?

https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa


The last time I saw a friend who had video card issues with windlight, she made a jira and it DID get fixed.

Video card issues are a very common thing, given that there are so many different models, drivers, etc and LL tries to support them all. I have no sympathy about broken group chat and asset issues, but I realise how hard it is to make something work with every video card, and I don't think they deserve anywhere near as much flak for problems in that area.

Also, make sure your drivers are updated.

Predreus

I don't ever remember enabling logging, but when I went to IM someone and it said "-- Instant message logging enabled --," so it seems like that is enabled by default now. No clue why they would do that though. As for mapping, you will have to do it through their profile now it seems.

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Because having an IM log on your hard drive can be invaluable when you forget exactly what someone said, or even who you were talking to. IM logs are extremely useful, and given the tiny amount of space a text file takes up, I can't see any reason why you'd NOT want it enabled.

it's especially useful if you crash soon after login, and lose all your unreplied Ims. you can check the logs to see who Imed you recently, and what they said. It's a pretty essential thing for customer support.

Cinthya Loveless

Its not dazzle only. its both dazzle and the normal canidate viewer.

Travis Lambert

ZOMG!

Absolutely right, WarKirby..... implications are huge! My mind is spinning with the possibilities....

Its says 'Provide way to visually mute'.... does that mean that there's going to be some sort of setting in preferences, that allows us to set a threshold for render cost?

I mean, say - visually mute all avatars with a render cost of 5000+, for example.

That'd be *way* cool


Or even better.... Imagine a estate/parcel setting for "Max Render Cost". Live music events - or events that are extremely sensitive to lag could set a Render cost threshold to give visitors a more consistent experience.

Edited to add: How 'bout render cost being returned as an llDetected* function in LSL? My head is going to explode

Cinthya Loveless

I was wrong its only Dazzle

Psyke Phaeton

OK who is working on making a DARK THEME!! I am looking into it now. I hate being dazzled!

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It would be interesting. As far as I can tell, it merely provides a method to identify such avatars. No visibility muting function. But it can do good things nevertheless.


Cinthya, I'm not sure what you're talking about.. This client is a fusion of Dazzle and the RC branch, and both of those are now mandatory updates to this (unless you mess with the viewer channel. Ask nina about that)

Cinthya Loveless

I Must Say I Do Love Dazzle!

WarKirby Magojiro

Good for you. It does have a few fans, but most people seem to dislike it. Certainly not enough of a majority to justifiably force it to replace the old UI.

Briana Dawson

*turns invisible*

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Also, I'm not sure about these things yet. It must be noted that rendering is clientside. I've not tested fully, but I suspect the render cost would be lower with reducing some graphical settings. And I'm not sure it's really possible for the server to be aware of, or interface with such values, as they should, theoretically, be different depending on your settings, and calculated individually on the client end.

Mourna Biziou

Visually muting facelights is just over the horizon. I can FEEL it!

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I made a jira about the removed friends menu in the map. please vote, comment, etc.

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6243

Vertigo Paris

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Predreus

Seems as though there is an issue with it saving some settings, at least for the logging sections. I can disable it and then reload the client and it will be enabled again. I can changed the location of where log files will go, and then it will change back to the default location the next time you load it.

Love

Seeing it for the first time. Not hating it so far. I really like the double tap to run.

And I scored 1198. Is that bad?

Love

Statistics is now a proper window. You can actually move it. Wow.

WarKirby Magojiro

Lower numbers are better. Ideally, get it as low as possible. I suspect most avs will be hovering around 1000-2000 aside from super high prim things.