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Miriel Enfield · 04-09-2008, 11:52 PM

MY EYES!

This is Dazzle? Bleah. I miss the old color scheme.

Also, holy shit, there's something horrifically wrong with the light bloom for me. Like, you have to see it to believe it wrong. The bloom's been turned up to a thousand and there's bright colors around the edges.

Verkin Raven · 04-09-2008, 11:53 PM

I like the idea of muting out high-detail avs (and ESPECIALLY scoring, gonna use that lots), but I imagine quite a few full-prim av vendors (like people who make feral avatars) getting a rash of shit from people complaining "it dont look like teh advertisment pichur!!1" because they left Dazzle on the high fps club setting.

As far as scoring is concerned, it's not just attachments... if you're building anything you could attach it to yourself to score it. Just an idea though. My next Tetra update is gonna involve a lot of optimization using this since it's already an attachment sailboat.

Miriel Enfield · 04-10-2008, 12:02 AM

Look! This is what bloom looks like for me now.

My poor water. And windows. And lamps. And sunbeams...

Verkin Raven · 04-10-2008, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miriel Enfield

Also, holy shit, there's something horrifically wrong with the light bloom for me. Like, you have to see it to believe it wrong. The bloom's been turned up to a thousand and there's bright colors around the edges.

I had a problem similar to this (if not the same problem) where the 1.19.1 viewer griefed up the glow settings.

Found this on Jira: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5396

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Update: accessed from debug setting window, the default for RenderGlowStrength was set for 2.00 from clean install,
after clicking the "set default" button returns back to 0.350.

This fixed the problem for me. The blow screenshot was what it looked like (gave me a fucking migraine).

Miriel Enfield · 04-10-2008, 12:09 AM

Oh, hey, thanks. Resetting the glow strength to default fixed things, and my ocean no longer looks like it belongs in some garish club. I do hope I won't have to do this every time I log in, though.

Love · 04-10-2008, 12:10 AM

Completel unstable though.

Kristian · 04-10-2008, 12:10 AM

Wow. The quit on the dropdown menu doesn't even work. GGLL.

Dnate Mars · 04-10-2008, 02:56 AM

Really the strangest thing to me is "This and all subsequent releases will be referred to as “1.20″ or “1.21″. There will be no more smaller numbered feature releases as we’ve used in the past (e.g., 1.19.0.5, 1.19.1.4)." I always thought that when they bumped 1.X to 1.Y that meant it was a required update. Or are all releases going to be mandatory?

Dnate Mars · 04-10-2008, 03:16 AM

OMG! I just installed 1.20. MY EYES!!!!!!!!

Djarum Tigerpaw · 04-10-2008, 03:36 AM

Im sorry... we are all suffering with it too, i just want everything to go back to how it was, when I never crashed, when we had options of what we wanted to work with... this is sickening.

Mecha Dinosaur · 04-10-2008, 04:38 AM

I just installed it too.

Sveid Heidenstam · 04-10-2008, 05:02 AM

I've had my first taste of the new client, and I must say my impressions are mixed. For the most part I agree with the original post.

I don't mind the icon and button changes so much, however I wish that they would provide us with several options to begin with. The colors do not suit me in the least, and I'm finding some things are more difficult to read. Some of the windows are also more distracting.

While there are some positive changes, I can't help but feel many of the visual changes were changes for the sake of making changes, such as the box around the startup bar.

I do enjoy the new options, such as the avatar rendering costs. It seems in all my usual forms I am somewhat costly, at around 2500.

The viewer did crash shortly after my first log in. I do hope this isn't a sign that it will prove to be less stable than the current regular client.

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Originally Posted by Djarum Tigerpaw

Im sorry... we are all suffering with it too, i just want everything to go back to how it was, when I never crashed, when we had options of what we wanted to work with... this is sickening.

Regarding the problem you mentioned earlier, have you attempted to turn off the Windlight shaders?

Of course it would be best if Windlight worked fine, but if it is causing so much trouble you'd rather use a non-Windlight client, turning off the shaders should achieve that effect.

Eata · 04-10-2008, 05:26 AM

This avatarcost thing is going to cause a mighty ruckus. All kinds of attachments will easily push that number skyhigh and now you're going to have trumped up cost police bitching about everything. Say goodbye to your favourite attachments/avatars if they have quite a few prims.

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* Support for non-powers-of-two textures
* Support for PNG textures

Good. The non powers of two thing was pretty sad, that's some serious legacy junk. PNG doesn't make much difference as it will just be like using TGA but more format support is nice.

Briana Dawson · 04-10-2008, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Eata

This avatarcost thing is going to cause a mighty ruckus. All kinds of attachments will easily push that number skyhigh and now you're going to have trumped up cost police bitching about everything. Say goodbye to your favourite attachments/avatars if they have quite a few prims.

I guess it depends on what the attachments are and what people believe a high number is. I do not think it counts by prims alone.

Ewan Took · 04-10-2008, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eata

This avatarcost thing is going to cause a mighty ruckus. All kinds of attachments will easily push that number skyhigh and now you're going to have trumped up cost police bitching about everything. Say goodbye to your favourite attachments/avatars if they have quite a few prims.

Most people are completely unaware of what we bitch about in the forums! If we mattered there would no nightclubs, sploders, 'hootchie hair', camping etc. etc.

Eata · 04-10-2008, 06:19 AM

But now it's going to swing the other way. They are metering something that has been guesswork for years and sticking an arbitary number on it, I can see a lot of sims enforcing caps on avatar cost for performance.

Beezle Warburton · 04-10-2008, 06:53 AM

Color picker is still messed up.

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5366

Kristian · 04-10-2008, 07:06 AM

Most of the menus don't work for me on OS X 10.5. Maybe all. I can't be arsed to check.

**Psyke Phaeton** · 04-10-2008, 07:11 AM

Ok I made a colors.xml file which darkens dazzle as best as I can manage. It's not perfect but you wont get eye bleed now

See picture attached. The SL windows are less transparent when selected.

You will need to rename my colors.xml.txt file to colors.xml
(Note for Windows users: by default windows will hide the .txt extension you will need to change your settings to make it show.)

Then you will need to find the colors.xml file on your computer in the Second Life Release Candidate/app_settings folder. Then back it up and replace it with my attached colors.xml. Also keep a copy of my colors.xml if you like it in case SL overwrites it.

Do not touch colors_base.xml If you do reinstall the SL client.

Since I have done this on Linux someone else can make a Windows and/or Mac walk-through if they wish.

EDIT: Click this for a better view:

**Psyke Phaeton** · 04-10-2008, 07:28 AM

To stave off any complaints.

Problems I encountered:

* Drop boxes (eg. Communicate popup menu) background is always white
* Changing Button/Tab shades also affected other icons (eg. building , scripted, no push, L$ button, tick boxes). So I made a compromise between dark buttons but still legible icons.
* Some background graphics can't be changed from light blue (eg. lower login screen, local chat background)

Michael Bigwig · 04-10-2008, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarKirby Magojiro

Hell yes. The days of crappy aliased vendor pics should be at an end soon. I was wishing we had this only yesterday. It's about damn time.

It's under the "Hardware Options" section in the graphics menu, btw.
===================================

Ok, this is interesting. It puts a number above every avatar's head, representing how "costly" they are to render. It's color coded too. I'm over 2000 and red :/

Probably the 70 prim flexi hair...

Thanks for the post, and breakdown. Very useful.

Concerning the 'cost' of rendering an AV...man, I must be way up on that list. The detail on my HAV unit is frightening. I forget how many prims I have on me (not using the leg attachments), but it's damn high.

Flood Mommsen · 04-10-2008, 09:14 AM

When I first tried it morning, it was just crashing on camera-movement. but meanwhile it crashes on connecting.

I could try and go with a clean install, in case something got screwed, but to be honest, I can't be bothered...it was an ugly client anyhow.

I guess I'll try again with the next Version.

Kristian · 04-10-2008, 09:51 AM

Anti-aliasing does not work on my mac either. The entire world is covered with a yellow haze that waves like the water and if i zoom var out i can see the buttons from the bottom bar waving in there too.

Beezle Warburton · 04-10-2008, 09:53 AM

Does anyone else notice the flicker or flash about every 10 seconds?

Kristian · 04-10-2008, 09:55 AM

No but my av is walking twitching and moving about without me touching anything.

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04-09-2008, 11:52 PM	#26 (permalink)
Miriel Enfield Senior Member Behold, the power of flopsy ears. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,469 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 3	MY EYES! This is Dazzle? Bleah. I miss the old color scheme. Also, holy shit, there's something horrifically wrong with the light bloom for me. Like, you have to see it to believe it wrong. The bloom's been turned up to a thousand and there's bright colors around the edges.

04-09-2008, 11:53 PM	#27 (permalink)
Verkin Raven vs. Godzilla :D Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,068 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 3 SL Join Date: 1/4/05 Blog Entries: 2	I like the idea of muting out high-detail avs (and ESPECIALLY scoring, gonna use that lots), but I imagine quite a few full-prim av vendors (like people who make feral avatars) getting a rash of shit from people complaining "it dont look like teh advertisment pichur!!1" because they left Dazzle on the high fps club setting. As far as scoring is concerned, it's not just attachments... if you're building anything you could attach it to yourself to score it. Just an idea though. My next Tetra update is gonna involve a lot of optimization using this since it's already an attachment sailboat.

04-10-2008, 12:09 AM	#30 (permalink)
Miriel Enfield Senior Member Behold, the power of flopsy ears. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,469 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 3	Oh, hey, thanks. Resetting the glow strength to default fixed things, and my ocean no longer looks like it belongs in some garish club. I do hope I won't have to do this every time I log in, though.

04-10-2008, 12:10 AM	#31 (permalink)
Love Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,405	Completel unstable though.

04-10-2008, 03:16 AM	#34 (permalink)
Dnate Mars Tastes like purple Illyngophiliac Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Home Posts: 10,885 My Mood: Wordtris Champion! SL Join Date: 01/27/2004 Business: Scripter for hire XBOX Leaderboard: 37^th	OMG! I just installed 1.20. MY EYES!!!!!!!!

04-10-2008, 03:36 AM	#35 (permalink)
Djarum Tigerpaw Djarum...I smokes Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: INglewood, ca Posts: 24 My Mood:	Im sorry... we are all suffering with it too, i just want everything to go back to how it was, when I never crashed, when we had options of what we wanted to work with... this is sickening.

04-10-2008, 06:19 AM	#41 (permalink)
Eata Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 706 My Mood: Cone Crazy 2 Champion! SLShopper Ads: 1	But now it's going to swing the other way. They are metering something that has been guesswork for years and sticking an arbitary number on it, I can see a lot of sims enforcing caps on avatar cost for performance.

04-10-2008, 07:06 AM	#43 (permalink)
Kristian stored in the cloud SLU Supporter PHIL LINDEN SKULLFCKED ME RIGHT HERE* Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,867 My Mood: SL Join Date: 2/26/2005	Most of the menus don't work for me on OS X 10.5. Maybe all. I can't be arsed to check.

04-10-2008, 07:28 AM	#45 (permalink)
Psyke Phaeton Senior Member SLU Supporter Running 'round in Circle's Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 6,953 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 1 SL Join Date: 12-Oct-2003 Business: Psyke's Defence Systems Blog Entries: 3	To stave off any complaints. Problems I encountered: * Drop boxes (eg. Communicate popup menu) background is always white * Changing Button/Tab shades also affected other icons (eg. building , scripted, no push, L$ button, tick boxes). So I made a compromise between dark buttons but still legible icons. * Some background graphics can't be changed from light blue (eg. lower login screen, local chat background)

04-10-2008, 09:14 AM	#47 (permalink)
Flood Mommsen Senior Member On my 6th Mojito Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 142 My Mood: SL Join Date: 01/16/2006	When I first tried it morning, it was just crashing on camera-movement. but meanwhile it crashes on connecting. I could try and go with a clean install, in case something got screwed, but to be honest, I can't be bothered...it was an ugly client anyhow. I guess I'll try again with the next Version.

04-10-2008, 09:51 AM	#48 (permalink)
Kristian stored in the cloud SLU Supporter PHIL LINDEN SKULLFCKED ME RIGHT HERE* Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,867 My Mood: SL Join Date: 2/26/2005	Anti-aliasing does not work on my mac either. The entire world is covered with a yellow haze that waves like the water and if i zoom var out i can see the buttons from the bottom bar waving in there too.

04-10-2008, 09:53 AM	#49 (permalink)
Beezle Warburton Senior Member Beeble Bubble Bimbo Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Darkmere Posts: 3,890 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 22 SL Join Date: October 24, 2006 Business: Cortech Enterprises	Does anyone else notice the flicker or flash about every 10 seconds?

04-10-2008, 09:55 AM	#50 (permalink)
Kristian stored in the cloud SLU Supporter PHIL LINDEN SKULLFCKED ME RIGHT HERE* Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,867 My Mood: SL Join Date: 2/26/2005	No but my av is walking twitching and moving about without me touching anything.

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