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Old 03-06-2014, 12:24 PM   #26 (permalink)
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as far as my "relationship" with the lab goes I usually refer to my part of the arrangement as "paying customer" and "opensource contributor".
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Old 03-06-2014, 01:24 PM   #27 (permalink)
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If I'm talking to people who don't have any clue what SL is, and I don't feel like explaining in detail, I call myself a player. To everyone else I call myself a resident.
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Old 03-06-2014, 01:49 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I feel like a Citizen. You know, like 'Citizen of the USSR' under Stalin.
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It may be just because I come from different circles, but "newbie" is not at all derogatory and people often self-identify to mean they just started on things. I think it's perfectly acceptable... Is it prone to misunderstandings?

And I should clarify.. I'm LL's customer. I much prefer the term "resident" - except from LL themselves.
The feedback we've had, both from new people and from LL, is that, while "newbie" is considerably better than "noob," it's best avoided (partly, to my mind, because if you're talking about newbies, it's a lot easier to start calling them noobs than if you start by calling them something else).

Other people's experience may be different, and it may be an unnecessary precaution, but it's a settled policy for us now, and I'm not going to try to change it.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:50 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Relative to LL: user, as in user of software, and customer.

Relative to the community, both from SL and the opensource SL alikes, I'm a participant. We don't have a good recognizable name for this yet.

When a game gets shut down, the community disperses or moves on.

When a popular software application gets shuttered, like WordPerfect, the people who were using it for some RL purpose go on to a near substitute and carry on, say for example Word. I think that is a closer situation for a lot of us. I think the community will survive the demise of LL, precisely because the meme behind the software predates it, and has been generalized and applied to so many RL uses.

I include roleplaying in those RL uses, since the medium almost doesn't matter - anything from a top of the line VW to LARPing without so much as a pencil still works.

I encourage people in organized communities and friend networks to maintain ways of contact amongst themselves that won't disappear if SL ever does. Think of yourselves as users with a cause of your own.
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I feel like a Citizen. You know, like 'Citizen of the USSR' under Stalin.

I have many days when I feel like the 'Citizen' from Paranoia.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:55 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I've always said "User". It covers many roles, and my role in SL has changed over the years.
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I consider SL more as a social platform than an online "game" (though of course there are games to play inworld). However, I do often joke about "playing with my 3D Barbie doll," so I guess in that sense I do "play." LOL... Not sure what I would call myself then as there are so many different aspects to the platform and experience.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:25 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I've always said "User". It covers many roles, and my role in SL has changed over the years.
That's a good one.
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AVATAR - is what I call my virtual body within SL, (or TOON - if I'm talking about my SL-self to people familiar with other MMORPGS)

SUBSCRIBER - when talking about my relationship to LL's internet service, it feels more accurate and specific than CUSTOMER.

RESIDENT - by default otherwise, since that's the established term for our SL identity.

and PLAYER - only when I'm dressed up trolling the clubs for some tail... aka never.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:33 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I usually prefer the term resident but I am just curious as to how an average second life user look at those terms (player and resident) in relation to themselves and Second Life...
What makes you think that SLU consists of "average second life users"? Many people on this website have been involved in creating and developing SL in ways that are far beyond average use.

I may be the one average SL user on SLU. I think of myself as a user, rather than a player or a resident.

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Old 03-06-2014, 03:36 PM   #39 (permalink)
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On a related point, what should we call new residents or customers or whatever?
I personally prefer "newb" because it suggests a little twangy sound, like "bewb" instead of "boob."

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I ask because, at the Adult Hubs, which are supposed to be, among other things, areas where we particularly try to make new people welcome, we strongly discourage staff from using terms like "newbies" or "noobs" and I'm always looking for other, more acceptable, terms.
Oh. Never mind.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:40 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Old 03-06-2014, 04:13 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Old 03-06-2014, 06:00 PM   #43 (permalink)
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The feedback we've had, both from new people and from LL, is that, while "newbie" is considerably better than "noob," it's best avoided (partly, to my mind, because if you're talking about newbies, it's a lot easier to start calling them noobs than if you start by calling them something else).

Other people's experience may be different, and it may be an unnecessary precaution, but it's a settled policy for us now, and I'm not going to try to change it.
This is all about labelling people, isn't it. It generally works best if you don't.
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This is all about labelling people, isn't it. It generally works best if you don't.
No, it's about trying to get some ideas for how to make statements referring to people who use SL without using "newbie" or "noob". For example, "If you check out Fab Free's 30 day list, you'll find several urls for stores that have special free offers for whatevers under 30 days old." Avatars? Accounts? Residents? Or "Don't worry, lots of new xxxx have difficulty with opening boxes. But it's really simple when you know how.. let me show you."

For various reasons, it's policy on our sims to discourage staff from using "newbie" or "noob," and I'm always on the look-out for alternative forms to suggest, since people tell me they sometimes find it difficult to find formulations that sound natural. It's a bit like, "don't think about elephants for the next five minutes." When someone tells you not to use a word or phrase, it's often difficult to think of sensible synonyms, even though there are plenty available.
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SLaddict suits me fine, except for persons with no clue about SL, then I'll say I have a few avatars in a virtual world. (Ok, I have lots, but that's besides the point.) IMHO noob is a slightly nasty term; newbie is more friendly.

Innula: Try "newcomer"? (Second thoughts, maybe a loaded term, but hey, that's why many join.
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No, it's about trying to get some ideas for how to make statements referring to people who use SL without using "newbie" or "noob". For example, "If you check out Fab Free's 30 day list, you'll find several urls for stores that have special free offers for whatevers under 30 days old." Avatars? Accounts? Residents? Or "Don't worry, lots of new xxxx have difficulty with opening boxes. But it's really simple when you know how.. let me show you."

For various reasons, it's policy on our sims to discourage staff from using "newbie" or "noob," and I'm always on the look-out for alternative forms to suggest, since people tell me they sometimes find it difficult to find formulations that sound natural. It's a bit like, "don't think about elephants for the next five minutes." When someone tells you not to use a word or phrase, it's often difficult to think of sensible synonyms, even though there are plenty available.
Users. New users. Or, heaven forbid, novices. Novice users is, however, right out.
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I am just curious as to how an average second life user look at those terms (player and resident) in relation to themselves and Second Life...
Well, then you have come to the WRONG place now , haven't you?

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It really depends who I am talking to. To someone familiar with second life I will say user. To someone who really knows it I will say content-creator, scripter, resident, or whatever is relevant at the time. To someone not familiar it depends who they are: if they are a gamer I will (grudgingly) say player and quickly explain it is a virtual world you can play games in but not a game itself (and say something like my current 'game' is challenging myself to build a tardis with restricted resources).
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I refer to what I do on SL as "playing around" but don't consider myself a "player" or SL as a "game." I just tinker - changing outfits or tweaking my avatar or rearranging furniture in my home.

When I head out to find new places, I am a resident. Or an explorer.

But I prefer to be called an "anthro" instead of a "furry."
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