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Ten · 03-28-2008, 10:05 PM

*COUGH*

Thanks to Miabella Foxley for seeing this one.

BEARintheMorning · 03-29-2008, 09:03 AM

Anyone know the number for the Verizon legal department?!?

FlipperPA Peregrine · 03-29-2008, 10:22 AM

You know what kills me sometimes about LL? They're really good at making almost cool features that are almost useful. Like implementing animations without allowing a way to change the default avatar animations in the client. Like implementing voice without making avatar lips move. Like sculpties without lossless upload.

Its kind of like boredom often sets in when something in 80% done.

Ten · 03-29-2008, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

Its kind of like boredom often sets in when something in 80% done.

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FlipperPA Peregrine · 03-29-2008, 11:00 AM

I'm hoping that completing projects like Windlight, Havok 4, and Mono show a willing to see things through to useful completion.

Khamon · 03-29-2008, 12:37 PM

Speedtree, you forgot Speedtree.

Cristiano · 03-29-2008, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khamon

And call it what, Virtual Stratics Universe?

Actually I have decided to completely change focus and go after the Guitar Hero and Rock Band fans - I shall call it metalverse.com.

PS - sadly I do own that domain name lol

Dnate Mars · 03-29-2008, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khamon

Speedtree, you forgot Speedtree.

Is Speedtree still alive? I thought it was a dead project.

BEARintheMorning · 03-30-2008, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

I'm hoping that completing projects like Windlight, Havok 4, and Mono show a willing to see things through to useful completion.

Who (besides LL - we know how reliable their word is

) says WindLight and Havok 4 are going to be complete?

If you mean "we're-releasing-it-half-assed-despite-what-beta-and-JIRA-says-and-we're-completely-borking-the-grid-for-the-forseeable-future-complete" then I'm with you.

Khamon · 04-01-2008, 10:46 PM

From Catherine's current BLOB entry:

3. Can I use SL with my product, domain or organization name?

Yes, under our special license to use “SL.” You can use “SL” with your own trademark. So, if you own the “Dell” trademark, you could call your presence in the Second Life world “Dell SL.”Or, you can use two common nouns with “SL.” For instance, SL Ballet is not ok (only one common noun) but SL Ballet Troup works. And SL China Portal is not ok (”China” is a proper noun), but SL Chinese Residents Association works. You need at least two common nouns so others don’t think you’re an “official” Second Life organization or website. Read more about this license.

4. What if I have a domain name that uses “SL” with only one common noun?

We’ve given you 90 days to transition to a new domain name that works with our special license. If you need additional time, please write us at tm-licensing@lindenlab.com and we’ll consider giving you permission to extend the 90 days or to forward the old domain name to your new one. For more on submitting a licensing request check out the FAQ.

Just Fucking WOW2

Dnate Mars · 04-01-2008, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khamon

From Catherine's current BLOB entry:

3. Can I use SL with my product, domain or organization name?

Yes, under our special license to use “SL.” You can use “SL” with your own trademark. So, if you own the “Dell” trademark, you could call your presence in the Second Life world “Dell SL.”Or, you can use two common nouns with “SL.” For instance, SL Ballet is not ok (only one common noun) but SL Ballet Troup works. And SL China Portal is not ok (”China” is a proper noun), but SL Chinese Residents Association works. You need at least two common nouns so others don’t think you’re an “official” Second Life organization or website. Read more about this license.

4. What if I have a domain name that uses “SL” with only one common noun?

We’ve given you 90 days to transition to a new domain name that works with our special license. If you need additional time, please write us at tm-licensing@lindenlab.com and we’ll consider giving you permission to extend the 90 days or to forward the old domain name to your new one. For more on submitting a licensing request check out the FAQ.

Just Fucking WOW2

Yeah, nothing about how under their old rules this was allowed, nothing about how SL can mean anything, nope, if you use SL, you are screwed.

Cocoanut Koala · 04-01-2008, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khamon

From Catherine's current BLOB entry:

3. Can I use SL with my product, domain or organization name?

Yes, under our special license to use “SL.” You can use “SL” with your own trademark. So, if you own the “Dell” trademark, you could call your presence in the Second Life world “Dell SL.”Or, you can use two common nouns with “SL.” For instance, SL Ballet is not ok (only one common noun) but SL Ballet Troup works. And SL China Portal is not ok (”China” is a proper noun), but SL Chinese Residents Association works. You need at least two common nouns so others don’t think you’re an “official” Second Life organization or website. Read more about this license.

4. What if I have a domain name that uses “SL” with only one common noun?

We’ve given you 90 days to transition to a new domain name that works with our special license. If you need additional time, please write us at tm-licensing@lindenlab.com and we’ll consider giving you permission to extend the 90 days or to forward the old domain name to your new one. For more on submitting a licensing request check out the FAQ.

Just Fucking WOW2

That's just dumb. SL Ballet isn't OK, but SL Ballet Troup is.

Maybe I'm just slow, but I don't get the vital difference between those two.

coco

prinţesă nină · 04-01-2008, 11:04 PM

maybe ppl should just stop using their name completely?
that would teach them!

Cocoanut Koala · 04-02-2008, 01:56 AM

The blog entry's reply #36, by Razrcut Brooks, is the single stupidest comment I've ever seen in SL on any forums. (Sorry, Razrcut.)

Starting with, "Please ignore all the uneducated neagativity[sic] by the minority of residents who do not 'get it.'"

(I really hate it when people come in and suck up to the Lindens and encourage them to ignore everyone else.)

And moving on through, "Many business/website/blog creators are upset because they cannot get away with capitalizing on LL’s success any longer."

What an oxymoron. LL would literally not have the success it does were it not for the success of individual businesses in SL, and their concomitant websites and others.

You might even say LL has quite literally piggybacked on OUR successes.

To top it off, he suggests, "if you cannot see the difference in SL Ballet and SL Ballet Troupe then please use a lifeline and ask a buddy to explain it to you. …. kthksbye."

Too bad he didn't just EXPLAIN the difference, then. I just got done asking here what the difference is, and I tell ya what, there IS no difference.

The only difference is a "troupe" and a ballet company, such as San Francisco Ballet, is generally considered smaller than a company, and/or is a group who travels (but not always).

Troupe:
1. a company, band, or group of singers, actors, or other performers, esp. one that travels about.
–verb (used without object)
2. to travel as a member of a theatrical company; barnstorm.

coco

(I did get a kick out of somebody earlier on who asked what LL had against ballet! haha)

Edit: I thought of a reason. Maybe there would be ANOTHER group that wanted to be known as SL Ballet. And rather than that group have to append something like "troop" onto the end, nobody gets to be SL Ballet, and everyone has to append something.

Joshua Nightshade · 04-02-2008, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

You might even say LL has quite literally piggybacked on OUR successes.

I believe I have said that actually. Rather repeatedly.

Cocoanut Koala · 04-02-2008, 02:00 AM

Kudos and title of Thread Winner go to Derek Ristow, for his pithy comment at #40:

"Well, we have to give LL one thing, no one can enrage the public quite like they can."

coco

LoganBauer · 04-02-2008, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

You know what kills me sometimes about LL? They're really good at making almost cool features that are almost useful. Like implementing animations without allowing a way to change the default avatar animations in the client. Like implementing voice without making avatar lips move. Like sculpties without lossless upload.

Its kind of like boredom often sets in when something in 80% done.

and remember joints? and HTML on a prim.. Even if they make it fully interactive, it's still through the parcel media controls so if you want to have multiple web pages you need multiple parcels... But even that doesn't really work, make 2 small adjacent parcels with your 2 webpages... and you still can't see them both simultaneously, just one as you stand inside it's parcel.

Cocoanut Koala · 04-02-2008, 02:38 AM

And a special commendation to the lengthy post #74, by Rheta Shan.

coco

FlipperPA Peregrine · 04-02-2008, 08:54 AM

Well, it looks like SLTrivia.com is fucked as a domain name. Thank you very much, LL, for pissing off one of your biggest supports over the years.

GogomodoTrivia.com: Your Source for Grid-Wide Trivia Competition and Fun! should be up shortly.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 04-02-2008, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by My Email to LL

Good morning,

I’m a long time resident and supporter of Second Life, but I must say, I find the sudden change in use of trademarks somewhat arbitrary. I find it hard to believe that the domains “SLAgePlay.com” and “SLSexCenter.com” would be allowed because of the two common nouns, yet the domain I own, “SLTrivia.com” is somehow not allowed.

I’m a founding member of the yearly Second Life Community Convention (Second Life Community Convention » Welcome! and Second Life Community Convention » Welcome! ) which has received permission to use various Linden Lab marks through our contract. If possible, I’d like to set up a similar arrangement with SLTrivia.com.

I’m also the founder of SLBoutique.com (which has since been rebranded Shop.OnRez.com) – Philip was the fourth person to sign up for a SLBoutique account. I’ve been encouraged by various Linden Lab employees over the years to use “SL + one common noun” domain names. While SLBoutique is no more, SLTrivia.com has grown into what may be the most popular in-world game on the grid, with over 150 running, competing locations.

I’ve heard there would be a method for those of us who’ve been using these domains for years (SLTrivia. SLExchange, SLProfiles, and SLUniverse being four prominent examples) to ask for an exception to the rules, but seen no method mentioned. I’d like to continue using SLTrivia.com – is there some way we can get a signed letter giving us permission to do so, perhaps under some kind of grandfathered provision (domains registered prior to 2008, perhaps, that apply for permanent permission to use the domain)?

The amount of work technically to get all 150+ locations using a new domain name, let alone the re-branding, is daunting. I had no idea the trivia game would become so popular, but let this link be a testament to how many of your Residents enjoy the service:

GogomodoTrivia.com: Your Source for Grid-Wide Trivia Competition and Fun!

I hope all is well. Please let me know what you would recommend.

Regards,

-Timothy Allen (aka FlipperPA Peregrine)
Cc: Catherine Smith

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Please be aware that we're unlikely to grant special requests to use our trademarks in ways not allowed in the Second Life Brand Center, except in limited cases that are strategic for our business. It's nothing personal---it's just what we need to do to protect our trademarks.

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Looks like we're screwed, Cristiano.

Ten · 04-02-2008, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Thanks for your interest in the Second Life world.

Fuck off, Linden Lab. Jesus christ; what a bunch of assholes.

Cristiano · 04-02-2008, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

Looks like we're screwed, Cristiano.

Only if you roll over and play dead. I have no intention of doing so.

prinţesă nină · 04-02-2008, 09:53 AM

well i think this is a golden opportunity for slu to evolve.

Cocoanut Koala · 04-02-2008, 10:24 AM

“Please be aware that we're unlikely to grant special requests to use our trademarks in ways not allowed in the Second Life Brand Center, except in limited cases that are strategic for our business. It's nothing personal---it's just what we need to do to protect our trademarks.”

What pricks.

What total, unmitigated, miserable pricks.

I think they quite agree with Razrcut, that WE are “capitalizing on LL’s success.” Here they were, this whole huge company, and somehow WE came along and "capitalized" on it by daring to make the world, populate it, and come up with services and websites for it.

Notice, too, how blatant that letter is. They admit that they don’t give a damn about the residents, and will change things only in cases that are “strategic for our business.”

OUR BUSINESS. As distinct from you feebs and choads paying our salaries. Who are welcome to go screw yourselves, as YOU are not “strategic” to OUR business.

Shame on any of us, including myself, who ever thought for a MOMENT that they recognized us as the least bit important to them in any way, or as anything other than something to be used, abused, and tossed aside.

And shame on LL for being so utterly short-sighted to think that they have much of a business without us.

Cause I just don’t think they could make it financially, without us, the feebs and choads.

coco

Joshua Nightshade · 04-02-2008, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

pricks.

pricks.

03-28-2008, 10:05 PM	#201 (permalink)
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BEARintheMorning Is this thing ON?!? Virtually burned out. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,206 SL Join Date: March 17, 2007 Business: BEARly There Enterprises SLShopper Ads: 7 My Mood:	Anyone know the number for the Verizon legal department?!? __________________ ARN851: "Halifax Terminal, Nova 851 with you out of 13,000 for 10,000, requesting runway 15." Halifax Terminal (female): "Nova 851 Halifax, the last time I gave a pilot what he wanted I was on penicillin for three weeks. Expect runway 06."

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03-29-2008, 11:00 AM	#205 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 6,261 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	I'm hoping that completing projects like Windlight, Havok 4, and Mono show a willing to see things through to useful completion.

04-01-2008, 10:46 PM	#210 (permalink)
Khamon BUY TREES MOAR1 don't wanna eat you ... yet Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 4,153 SL Join Date: November, 2003 Business: Fate Gardens Flowers and Trees SLShopper Ads: 2 My Mood:	From Catherine's current BLOB entry: 3. Can I use SL with my product, domain or organization name? Yes, under our special license to use “SL.” You can use “SL” with your own trademark. So, if you own the “Dell” trademark, you could call your presence in the Second Life world “Dell SL.”Or, you can use two common nouns with “SL.” For instance, SL Ballet is not ok (only one common noun) but SL Ballet Troup works. And SL China Portal is not ok (”China” is a proper noun), but SL Chinese Residents Association works. You need at least two common nouns so others don’t think you’re an “official” Second Life organization or website. Read more about this license. 4. What if I have a domain name that uses “SL” with only one common noun? We’ve given you 90 days to transition to a new domain name that works with our special license. If you need additional time, please write us at tm-licensing@lindenlab.com and we’ll consider giving you permission to extend the 90 days or to forward the old domain name to your new one. For more on submitting a licensing request check out the FAQ. Just Fucking WOW2

04-01-2008, 11:04 PM	#213 (permalink)
prinţesă nină Banned adores her psycho Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: melbourne Posts: 4,360 SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	maybe ppl should just stop using their name completely? that would teach them!

04-02-2008, 01:56 AM	#214 (permalink)
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages There is no sanctuary. You may think there is, but there isn't. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,380 Business: Coco's Cottages SLShopper Ads: 7 Awards: 1	The blog entry's reply #36, by Razrcut Brooks, is the single stupidest comment I've ever seen in SL on any forums. (Sorry, Razrcut.) Starting with, "Please ignore all the uneducated neagativity[sic] by the minority of residents who do not 'get it.'" (I really hate it when people come in and suck up to the Lindens and encourage them to ignore everyone else.) And moving on through, "Many business/website/blog creators are upset because they cannot get away with capitalizing on LL’s success any longer." What an oxymoron. LL would literally not have the success it does were it not for the success of individual businesses in SL, and their concomitant websites and others. You might even say LL has quite literally piggybacked on OUR successes. To top it off, he suggests, "if you cannot see the difference in SL Ballet and SL Ballet Troupe then please use a lifeline and ask a buddy to explain it to you. …. kthksbye." Too bad he didn't just EXPLAIN the difference, then. I just got done asking here what the difference is, and I tell ya what, there IS no difference. The only difference is a "troupe" and a ballet company, such as San Francisco Ballet, is generally considered smaller than a company, and/or is a group who travels (but not always). Troupe: 1. a company, band, or group of singers, actors, or other performers, esp. one that travels about. –verb (used without object) 2. to travel as a member of a theatrical company; barnstorm. coco (I did get a kick out of somebody earlier on who asked what LL had against ballet! haha) Edit: I thought of a reason. Maybe there would be ANOTHER group that wanted to be known as SL Ballet. And rather than that group have to append something like "troop" onto the end, nobody gets to be SL Ballet, and everyone has to append something.

04-02-2008, 02:00 AM	#216 (permalink)
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages There is no sanctuary. You may think there is, but there isn't. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,380 Business: Coco's Cottages SLShopper Ads: 7 Awards: 1	Kudos and title of Thread Winner go to Derek Ristow, for his pithy comment at #40: "Well, we have to give LL one thing, no one can enrage the public quite like they can." coco

04-02-2008, 02:38 AM	#218 (permalink)
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages There is no sanctuary. You may think there is, but there isn't. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,380 Business: Coco's Cottages SLShopper Ads: 7 Awards: 1	And a special commendation to the lengthy post #74, by Rheta Shan. coco

04-02-2008, 08:54 AM	#219 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 6,261 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	Well, it looks like SLTrivia.com is fucked as a domain name. Thank you very much, LL, for pissing off one of your biggest supports over the years. GogomodoTrivia.com: Your Source for Grid-Wide Trivia Competition and Fun! should be up shortly.

04-02-2008, 09:53 AM	#223 (permalink)
prinţesă nină Banned adores her psycho Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: melbourne Posts: 4,360 SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	well i think this is a golden opportunity for slu to evolve.

04-02-2008, 10:24 AM	#224 (permalink)
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages There is no sanctuary. You may think there is, but there isn't. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,380 Business: Coco's Cottages SLShopper Ads: 7 Awards: 1	“Please be aware that we're unlikely to grant special requests to use our trademarks in ways not allowed in the Second Life Brand Center, except in limited cases that are strategic for our business. It's nothing personal---it's just what we need to do to protect our trademarks.” What pricks. What total, unmitigated, miserable pricks. I think they quite agree with Razrcut, that WE are “capitalizing on LL’s success.” Here they were, this whole huge company, and somehow WE came along and "capitalized" on it by daring to make the world, populate it, and come up with services and websites for it. Notice, too, how blatant that letter is. They admit that they don’t give a damn about the residents, and will change things only in cases that are “strategic for our business.” OUR BUSINESS. As distinct from you feebs and choads paying our salaries. Who are welcome to go screw yourselves, as YOU are not “strategic” to OUR business. Shame on any of us, including myself, who ever thought for a MOMENT that they recognized us as the least bit important to them in any way, or as anything other than something to be used, abused, and tossed aside. And shame on LL for being so utterly short-sighted to think that they have much of a business without us. Cause I just don’t think they could make it financially, without us, the feebs and choads. coco

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