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WarKirby Magojiro · 03-25-2008, 03:20 PM

Has anyone noticed by the way, that to use the crappy new inSL logo, you have to fill out a form stating what you want to use it for, and get written permission.

WarKirby Magojiro · 03-25-2008, 03:29 PM

I find this comment on the massively page rather humorous:

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Jacek Antonelli said...

"Slovenia"? Sorry, I think you must have meant "Ovenia in the Second Life® world".

P.S. I do hope Linden Lab® got permission from Dell® to use their trademark repeatedly in the examples for their (rather ridiculous) License to use SL™ or inSL™ page:

Anyone feel like sending a little email to dell's legal department

?

Beezle Warburton · 03-25-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

ARGH that stupid two generic nouns thing makes me angry. It is so incredibly arbitrary, like this entire thing.

But we could Be SLToastedCheese!

You're clearly not seeing the big picture.

Ingrid · 03-25-2008, 03:55 PM

People are getting so angry about this and I still don't see why. Is the Second Life Herald really going to go bat-shit-looney over having to become compliant after using the logo and name for so long, essentially without permission and without having throught ahead? Of course this is going to come back to bite them in the ass. It's like starting a blog about ...i don't know..Barbie called the Barbie Blog and not expecting Mattel to come after you eventually. It's stupid.

The "SL" stuff though does bug me. It seems nitpicky.

Malachi · 03-25-2008, 03:55 PM

I'd be tempted to scream "but they don't really intend to enforce it" if not for the fact of their "ban you for any reason or no reason" rule. A rule I note was on its way to being overruled when LL decided they didn't want it judged in Bragg v. Linden Lab.

Usually, the first step of trademark enforcement is a Cease & Desist letter because the trademark owner has to make you aware of your infringement so that you can correct it. Unfortunately, LL doesn't think too straightly so I wouldn't be surprised if the C&D came in the form of a bannination notice. Which itself is odd in a world full of anonymity. Can LL actually connect the administrator of SLU with the in-game avatar? Probably not without a subpoena, but they don't have to according to their rules.

Bunch of buttmonkeys, I tell ya!

Beezle Warburton · 03-25-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingrid

Oh come on. If you're going to use that logic, they'll also probably ban you for wearing mismatched sox.

BROADLY OFFENSIVE mismatched sox.

Beezle Warburton · 03-25-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dnate Mars

We don't have to worry, it is 2 nouns already. Uni = University and Verse. This is all about people from Second Life university writings, right?

Uni-Verse.
We're singular poets.

Beezle Warburton · 03-25-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jennyfur

Actually the hand logo is not all that unique I have seen exact copies and variations of it in many non-SL related businesses. Its a pretty common design when it comes down to it. The color and application of Second Life to it are what makes it unique I suppose.

To be honest, I thought it was one of the creature tattoos from "Black or White."

Beezle Warburton · 03-25-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ruby tuesday

Cristiano turned down my offer of turning over ownership of sluniverse to me.

Oh well, it's still my universe! nyah!

YouTube - Monty python - universe song

Jennyfur · 03-25-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingrid

People are getting so angry about this and I still don't see why. Is the Second Life Herald really going to go bat-shit-looney over having to become compliant after using the logo and name for so long, essentially without permission and without having throught ahead? Of course this is going to come back to bite them in the ass. It's like starting a blog about ...i don't know..Barbie called the Barbie Blog and not expecting Mattel to come after you eventually. It's stupid.

The "SL" stuff though does bug me. It seems nitpicky.

I can see cracking down in cases where Second Life, SL or the logos were used without prior permission to some extent though, but when you have an open policy for 4-5 years where anyone can use it with or without permission, a sudden crackdown seems unwarranted. The language is also vague where they have allowed permission in the past to use SL or Second Life in terms of a third party venture i.e. the Second Life Community Convention... Does the prior arrangement still stand or is it null and void in light of recent changes? If its null and void I think its a bit ridiculous.

-jenn

Ten · 03-25-2008, 05:20 PM

Ingrid:

I think people are getting irritated, not angry, because this seems absolutely foolish, six steps too late, and we're lazy to boot. Some of us don't want to add those stupid characters for anything we say!

Ben Hoark · 03-25-2008, 05:28 PM

Where's Sooz? We need some words of legal wisdom.

Personally, I think they're too late. They haven't actively protected their trademark for years, which puts them in a seriously iffy position. And as has already been commented, they can't trademark 'SL' or 'LL'.

As for negative publicity --- since when has that ever stopped them?

Io Zeno · 03-25-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

That's not exactly true. In the US you're required to defend use of a trademark constantly or you can lose the rights to it in the first place.

That isn't so, Josh, I looked this up before. They changed the laws so the burden wasn't so heavy on the trademark holder, which honestly is only fair. You can't be expected to know what is going on everywhere all the time, it's too much to ask.

However, LL has been *well aware* of the Herald and SLU.

Ingrid · 03-25-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben Hoark

Personally, I think they're too late. They haven't actively protected their trademark for years, which puts them in a seriously iffy position.

As long as they have the name trademarked, regardless of whether or not they have not been actively enforcing the trademark, they can protect their name. I went through this a few years ago with the company I work for. Someone came after the name and we had to prove in court that we had it trademarked and had been using it for our business.

I'm thinking LL has decided to be persnikity about this stuff recently because a similar situation could happen with a competitor.

Jenn, i don't disagree with you on some levels...they have been giving people free rein with the use of the name for a while, and that was kind of lax of them.

Aodhan McDunnough · 03-25-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WarKirby Magojiro

Hasn't the point been raised several times that companies need to aggresively protect their trademark or lose it ?

I can only go as far as "maybe." That's up to IP law to decide.

BEARintheMorning · 03-25-2008, 07:36 PM

I still say screw 'em.

All they will have in 2-5 years IS a name and a precious trademark not worth the paper it's written on when everyone is gone.

As soon as there's a minimally functioning grid with proper asset protection and a REAL economy hits the ground running - buh bye LL (<-- no cutesy little TM symbol - sue me).

And frankly I don't care who it comes from - open source, major internet-savvy company - ANYBODY that at least has their heads out of their asses far enough that their ears are exposed and can hear what their customer base is saying will finish off SL and LL (<-- again, no cutesy little TM symbol - sue me twice).

Cris, I know it's a pain in the ass - but if I were you I would have changed the domain of this site to vluniverse.com a long time ago. Let's face it. This forum has more to do with our virtual lives (all inclusive) than it does our second one's anyway.

Unless LL (<-- NO I'm NOT using that fucking TM SYMBOL SO FUCK OFF!

) happen to hire a CEO that takes a look around and cleans the ass-hats running this company out, it's just a matter of time.

Ten · 03-25-2008, 08:25 PM

I also have a little comment about the Herald: It basically reports the crap going on in Second Life. If LL would clean up the bad stuff, the Herald might run out of content.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 03-25-2008, 09:22 PM

Philip was user #4 of SLBoutique when it originally started - supportive, and checking it out. If that isn't consent, I don't know what is. I guess I'll have some questions at Robin's next office hour.

Regards,

-Flip

Brenda Archer · 03-26-2008, 05:25 AM

I'm a little worried about the group I started back in May 2005. It's over 1200 people now, and I no longer run it although I am still a member. Bisexuals in Second Life was also granted the last group-related subforum in the official forum without being asked to change the name.

I thought about submitting a support ticket to change the name, then decided to let the current group owner worry about it. However... I ran the group as a nonprofit, but the person I gave it to does have a for-profit personals site. Gods, what a headache.

Having to kick everyone out of the group just to set up a new group with a different name is effectively impossible without drama because group Notices are still broken often enough that some people would not know why they were being ejected from the group. Is there a technical reason why group names can't be changed on the back end? If there isn't, I may go ahead and request it.

WarKirby Magojiro · 03-26-2008, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Brenda Archer

Is there a technical reason why group names can't be changed on the back end? If there isn't, I may go ahead and request it.

No, there is not. Have a look at the Manitoba Dogsled Team group.

It didn't used to be called that >.>

Daisy Rimbaud · 03-26-2008, 05:46 AM

Besides, having to change the group name would be ridiculous. It would be like founding a society for, oh, say, ballroom dancing in Canada and not being allowed to call it the "Canadian Ballroom Dancing Society".

03-25-2008, 03:55 PM	#154 (permalink)
Ingrid archived Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,074 SLShopper Ads: 2 Awards: 1	People are getting so angry about this and I still don't see why. Is the Second Life Herald really going to go bat-shit-looney over having to become compliant after using the logo and name for so long, essentially without permission and without having throught ahead? Of course this is going to come back to bite them in the ass. It's like starting a blog about ...i don't know..Barbie called the Barbie Blog and not expecting Mattel to come after you eventually. It's stupid. The "SL" stuff though does bug me. It seems nitpicky. Last edited by Ingrid; 03-25-2008 at 04:00 PM.

03-25-2008, 05:28 PM	#162 (permalink)
Ben Hoark The Doctor Is In Contemplating the future Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 638 Blog Entries: 3 My Mood:	Where's Sooz? We need some words of legal wisdom. Personally, I think they're too late. They haven't actively protected their trademark for years, which puts them in a seriously iffy position. And as has already been commented, they can't trademark 'SL' or 'LL'. As for negative publicity --- since when has that ever stopped them? __________________ Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. -- TS Eliot

03-25-2008, 07:36 PM	#166 (permalink)
BEARintheMorning Is this thing ON?!? Yes, it's true. I AM all of that and much much less. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,675 SL Join Date: March 17, 2007 Business: BEARly There Enterprises SLShopper Ads: 10 My Mood:	I still say screw 'em. All they will have in 2-5 years IS a name and a precious trademark not worth the paper it's written on when everyone is gone. As soon as there's a minimally functioning grid with proper asset protection and a REAL economy hits the ground running - buh bye LL (<-- no cutesy little TM symbol - sue me). And frankly I don't care who it comes from - open source, major internet-savvy company - ANYBODY that at least has their heads out of their asses far enough that their ears are exposed and can hear what their customer base is saying will finish off SL and LL (<-- again, no cutesy little TM symbol - sue me twice). Cris, I know it's a pain in the ass - but if I were you I would have changed the domain of this site to vluniverse.com a long time ago. Let's face it. This forum has more to do with our virtual lives (all inclusive) than it does our second one's anyway. Unless LL (<-- NO I'm *NOT* using that fucking TM *SYMBOL SO FUCK OFF! ) happen to hire a CEO that takes a look around and cleans the ass-hats running this company out, it's just a matter of time. __________________ Check out the BEAR in the Morning Radio Show. 3 hours of rock, requests, and laughs broacasting LIVE every Monday through Friday at 6am SL time. Making your days a little more "bearable" through the power of Disruptive Technology*! BitM 64k stream - http://bitm.virtuallifestream.com:8102 BitM 128k stream - http://bitm.virtuallifestream.com:8100

03-25-2008, 09:22 PM	#168 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 4,362 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	Philip was user #4 of SLBoutique when it originally started - supportive, and checking it out. If that isn't consent, I don't know what is. I guess I'll have some questions at Robin's next office hour. Regards, -Flip __________________ Peregrine Salon: Flip & Jenn's thang.

03-26-2008, 05:46 AM	#171 (permalink)
Daisy Rimbaud Evil Genius Limted online right now Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hyades Posts: 1,287 My Mood:	Besides, having to change the group name would be ridiculous. It would be like founding a society for, oh, say, ballroom dancing in Canada and not being allowed to call it the "Canadian Ballroom Dancing Society". Last edited by Daisy Rimbaud; 03-26-2008 at 05:47 AM. Reason: Crossposted with WarKirby

03-25-2008, 03:55 PM	#155 (permalink)
Malachi Mi svävare är full med ål Edit Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,510 My Mood:	I'd be tempted to scream "but they don't really intend to enforce it" if not for the fact of their "ban you for any reason or no reason" rule. A rule I note was on its way to being overruled when LL decided they didn't want it judged in Bragg v. Linden Lab. Usually, the first step of trademark enforcement is a Cease & Desist letter because the trademark owner has to make you aware of your infringement so that you can correct it. Unfortunately, LL doesn't think too straightly so I wouldn't be surprised if the C&D came in the form of a bannination notice. Which itself is odd in a world full of anonymity. Can LL actually connect the administrator of SLU with the in-game avatar? Probably not without a subpoena, but they don't have to according to their rules. Bunch of buttmonkeys, I tell ya!

03-25-2008, 08:25 PM	#167 (permalink)
Ten Baby FIC Destroyer of Worlds Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,925 SL Join Date: 10/7/2006 My Mood: Awards: 1	I also have a little comment about the Herald: It basically reports the crap going on in Second Life. If LL would clean up the bad stuff, the Herald might run out of content.

03-26-2008, 05:25 AM	#169 (permalink)
Brenda Archer Tired LOL Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Houston Posts: 1,849 My Mood:	I'm a little worried about the group I started back in May 2005. It's over 1200 people now, and I no longer run it although I am still a member. Bisexuals in Second Life was also granted the last group-related subforum in the official forum without being asked to change the name. I thought about submitting a support ticket to change the name, then decided to let the current group owner worry about it. However... I ran the group as a nonprofit, but the person I gave it to does have a for-profit personals site. Gods, what a headache. Having to kick everyone out of the group just to set up a new group with a different name is effectively impossible without drama because group Notices are still broken often enough that some people would not know why they were being ejected from the group. Is there a technical reason why group names can't be changed on the back end? If there isn't, I may go ahead and request it.