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Ingrid · 03-25-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

Ingrid, read this, they are very anal about the "two generic nouns" thing:

If SLDesign.com or SLArchitecture.com are NOT OK, then neither is SLUniverse.com

I really really really doubt that would hold up in court, especially if you had it trademarked.

they can't claim rights to any and all words with the letters s and l in it.

Aodhan McDunnough · 03-25-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

Ingrid, read this, they are very anal about the "two generic nouns" thing:

If SLDesign.com or SLArchitecture.com are NOT OK, then neither is SLUniverse.com

Ugh, bad.

Ingrid · 03-25-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aodhan McDunnough

My reading of it is using SL or inSL are fine regardless provided you conform to the guidelines. Guidelines are instructions regarding how to properly use such trademarks, things like distance, color, combinations, etc.

What is not allowed is "Second Life" and the eye-hand logo.

That's what i understood.

**Io Zeno** · 03-25-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingrid

I really really really doubt that would hold up in court, especially if you had it trademarked.

they can't claim rights to any and all words with the letters s and l in it.

I doubt they are going to enforce most of this but sites like SLU and SLexchange are well known.

And does anyone really want to go to court over this?

Dnate Mars · 03-25-2008, 12:13 PM

We don't have to worry, it is 2 nouns already. Uni = University and Verse. This is all about people from Second Life university writings, right?

Aodhan McDunnough · 03-25-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingrid

I really really really doubt that would hold up in court, especially if you had it trademarked.

they can't claim rights to any and all words with the letters s and l in it.

As I mentioned in another post: Context.

LL will be able to claim rights if your website is clearly Second Life related.

HOWEVER, they should not be able to do anything about a trademark you filed prior to the new ruling (someone versed in IP please comment). But they will be able to claim when your trademark expires, you will not be allowed to renew unless the SL part of your trademark would clearly mean something else already.

BEARintheMorning · 03-25-2008, 12:18 PM

Screw 'em.

Can the open source grids come any faster? Please?

This will all be moot once Our Hosts have driven away their customer and creative base.

Ingrid · 03-25-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

I doubt they are going to enforce most of this but sites like SLU and SLexchange are well known.

And does anyone really want to go to court over this?

No no... but it's worth an email to LL.

I wonder if anyone SLexchanged is already trademarked, registered...

**Io Zeno** · 03-25-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingrid

No no... but it's worth an email to LL.

I wonder if anyone SLexchanged is already trademarked, registered...

Yeah. No idea.

Ingrid · 03-25-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BEARintheMorning

Screw 'em.

Can the open source grids come any faster? Please?

This will all be moot once Our Hosts have driven away their customer and creative base.

eh. This is pretty standard procedure for any company, including the one I work for. And certainly when it comes to packaging one of the first things you do is check out whether or not the name you want to use is trademarked.

Let's face it, lots of businesses inside second life are little businesses in their own right and should have to adhere to the same rules as businesses outside.

I wonder how long ago they trademarked "SL"

FlipperPA Peregrine · 03-25-2008, 12:50 PM

For those who haven't seen:

Linden Lab asserts control of names and images - Massively

There seem to be some contradictory messages. I'm really concerned about the two noun thing.

**Cristiano** · 03-25-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Aodhan McDunnough

What is not allowed is "Second Life" and the eye-hand logo.

I can't emphasize this enough - by not doing anything about this for several years, it weakens their claim:

Cocoanut Koala · 03-25-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

I cannot get over how bad the inSL logo is - do they have their legal team also doing their graphic design? It is incredibly amatuerish. I don't think they need to worry about protecting it, I certainly wouldn't want that to appear on anything. At least the hand logo is unique.

HAHAHAHA I even SAID so on the blog!

I think it was designed by monkeys with their feet! On crack! While distracted with bananas!

And man, what's with those CLORS! You can scarcely SEE it! No contrast!

coco

Jennyfur · 03-25-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

I cannot get over how bad the inSL logo is - do they have their legal team also doing their graphic design? It is incredibly amatuerish. I don't think they need to worry about protecting it, I certainly wouldn't want that to appear on anything. At least the hand logo is unique.

Actually the hand logo is not all that unique I have seen exact copies and variations of it in many non-SL related businesses. Its a pretty common design when it comes down to it. The color and application of Second Life to it are what makes it unique I suppose.

Cocoanut Koala · 03-25-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

If necessary, it will be renamed vluniverse.com - for virtual life, as an alternative. However, I am not doing anything except contacting an attorney and also LL for clarification, since this site has been in existence since 2003 and has always followed the naming guidelines. Changing them this far after the fact is ridiculous, and again, there is the glaring example of secondlifeherald.com to prove they have not enforced their brand. Sites like slexchange.com, slprofiles.com, slbuzz.com, are all established sites - they cannot just expect sites to suddenly change name on their whim when they gave the green light on the names already.

There was a post by Apotheosis I saw yesterday on SLExchange in which he said he had already applied to LL for something or other. So there is a way to keep your name.

coco

Cocoanut Koala · 03-25-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucifer Baphomet

One of the deepest ironies in this, is The Lab's constant push for the community to do stuff....
As an example, when off opic, and general were closed, they encouraged the establishment of, and migration to third party sites.

Fucking insane.

Another irony, that someone pointed out on the SL forums: The phrase "Your World, Your Imagination" is copyrighted. (Or whatever the word is.)

coco

**Cristiano** · 03-25-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

There was a post by Apotheosis I saw yesterday on SLExchange in which he said he had already applied to LL for something or other. So there is a way to keep your name.

coco

Yeah he said something about "dual use license" or something. Another pitfall in the new guidelines is that the content has to be PG. I am going to take a wait and see stance on this. The half-assed way that they have done this, combined with the fact that they won't provide guidance on whether or not something is infringing their new rules if asked makes this an exercise in futility.

Aodhan McDunnough · 03-25-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

I can't emphasize this enough - by not doing anything about this for several years, it weakens their claim:

It doesn't.

Like anywhere else, non pursuance of a trademark infringement doesn't mean they can't. SLH has enough for SL to claim whenever. It's always the option of the trademark holder whether to pursue or not at any time. It's up to those intending to use such trademarks to figure out if they're willing to risk things.

Sobriquet Kryakutnoy · 03-25-2008, 02:14 PM

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Ingrid · 03-25-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Anya Ristow

The text "guielines" is a link. Click on it and you'll see the new rules we are talking about.

yeah thanks, a few people quoted the text. It would seem they're letting people use "SL" but in a limited capacity.

If I was Cris I'd do exactly what he said he's doing and wait and see. He's not really all that far off from being 100% compliant. It's not like he has the words Second Life® emblazoned all over his banner, unlike the second life herald.

Joshua Nightshade · 03-25-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Aodhan McDunnough

It doesn't.

Like anywhere else, non pursuance of a trademark infringement doesn't mean they can't. SLH has enough for SL to claim whenever. It's always the option of the trademark holder whether to pursue or not at any time. It's up to those intending to use such trademarks to figure out if they're willing to risk things.

That's not exactly true. In the US you're required to defend use of a trademark constantly or you can lose the rights to it in the first place.

Lordfly Digeridoo · 03-25-2008, 03:25 PM

If I recall you can only lose trademark if it becomes generic, like Kleenex or Xerox.

You don't see people calling Kaneva a "second life".

Asher Bertrand · 03-25-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dnate Mars

We don't have to worry, it is 2 nouns already. Uni = University and Verse. This is all about people from Second Life university writings, right?

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u·ni /ˈyuni/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[yoo-nee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Australian Informal.
university.
[Origin: 1895–1900; by shortening]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

Exactly. I'm here for modern free verse about the Australian university system as expressed in this exciting new 3D virtual world medium.

And then there's that other site, slexchange, which is all about how former spouses have changed post-divorce - in this exciting new 3D virtual world medium.

I love word games

Ten · 03-25-2008, 03:46 PM

Another SCD Comment: "“Do you think they should pay us for our blogs that promotes their TM’ed service?”"

Yes. Yes, they should, with the amount we've had to bend over so they could fuck us harder.

WarKirby Magojiro · 03-25-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aodhan McDunnough

It doesn't.

Hasn't the point been raised several times that companies need to aggresively protect their trademark or lose it ?

Allowing that use of Second Life® and the Second Life Eye-in-Hand logo® for so long, It seems that it would weaken their position.

Disclaimer: My continued proper use of ® and ™ in regard to Linden Lab®'s trademarks, is done entirely out of mockery, and is not meant to be construed as any sort of respect or reverence for this bullshit.

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