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Khamon

I'm far more addicted to SLU than I am SL.

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Archer Braun

I think I agree with you. But I think the management of SL simply doesn't (or didn't, as the case may be...) grok that.

I've also developed some serious doubts and concerns surrounding the efficacy of a platform like SL ever becoming a standard for online experience...which was one of the major aspirations for SL from the get-go.

Brenda Archer

I feel so much cognitive dissonance around this. On the one hand I can see there is still a community and it's what keeps me here. On the other hand, the way LL talks to that community astonishes me. To build a community and drive it away would be absurd, but it's very possible.

I don't know the mind of LL, but I can easily see the dynamics in the cliques that make up the SL community. The impression I get is that LL doesn't have the correct model for predicting what this community really desires.

They certainly can't do it based on technology. They can never keep up with change just using one product, no one could. The concept of SL as a destination can still be salvaged separate from any marriage with a particular form of software. If open standards for the idea of the virtual world as a pervasive network are ever to succeed, I can't see any way for LL to leverage that except on the basis of what they've done so far to create a destination, including the user base they've built up and the resulting culture and society.

So there's this huge cognitive dissonance going on with the residents as they look at an LL who seem to want community, and an LL who treat that community as something disposable that they enabled only long enough to be able to start chasing the vertical markets.

The absurdity in this is trying to market what's left of SL-as-a-technology to verticals. IBM took matters into its own hands, and that's fine but it doesn't change impressions much.

Ordinary users have other concerns. The virtual community I've worked to help create is an end-in-itself and exists across a number of different platforms. Before I jump back into working on it, I have to give some thought to which way the weathervane is pointing.

I'm not well and I hope that what I'm saying here makes coherent sense. Thanks to both of you for your posts; you've given me much food for thought.

Malachi

Minor correction applied.

Cinthya Loveless

To me its kind of crazy that LL thinks it can copy right 2 letters. Does this mean everyone in the world who wants to have BK in a name, busniess name, and/or whatever need to get permission form Burger King?

How lame can LL get.

Aodhan McDunnough

From all I've read I don't think they're copyrighting the two letter SL at all. What I see is a usage guideline for the SL letters IF you have a Second Life associated name.

For example SL Vision (SL Vision) is not, and never was, an SL associated name, therefore does not fall under the scope of the guidelines at all. Btw I just plucked that site and URL out of thin air, and sure enough a real site existed.

SL Herald and SL Universe however are. Both were created with a connection to SL from the start and therefore are subject to the guidelines.

So to cut things short, usage of "SL" is ok ... provided that the usage is totally not related to Second Life.

If ever they try to push for an all-encompassing trademark on SL, then it won't prosper. They have the auto industry to contend with, among others.

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Aodhan McDunnough

They're not posers.

I'm familiar with the trademark guidelines of Toastmasters International and Mensa and what LL is doing is nothing out of the ordinary. What bothers me is that they should have done this branding thing very early on. Branding is not a hit-and-miss thing, it's a very estabished process so they had nothing to lose with doing it early.

As for what will happen to SL Universe, leave that to Cris to work out. It's not for us to speculate at this point because as per guidelines, SLU is in violation. However these guidelines are new, and SLU was made in good faith long ago, complying with the prevailing rules at the time.

Cris and Flipper have been trying to reach a specific Linden (Robin is it?) to discuss the matter in a more civil manner.

For now, if it does not affect you personally, sit back and don't fuss about it. Let those that are affected handle the matter in peace.

Tyche Shepherd

But Aodhan - pointless speculation is the life blood of internet forums

I'm personally very interested in what LL intend doing about the following 50 sims which all use SL in their names - some are coincidences and probably not effected but others break the guidlines (assuming this is going to be enforced inworld as well as in RL)

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Aodhan McDunnough

Pointless speculation I can do without. We're flooded with enough information as is.

re: the list

It's going to be interesting for sure.

As for me, with regard to naming, I always considered it good practice to avoid the hostname (Second Life in this case) completely when choosing a name. That way you never have to deal with trademark and copyright issues.

Brenda Archer

Aodhan, there's a whole lot of affected people. I'm affected because I founded a large group that now has to change its name, and I'm sure there are many other people here who are directly affected. I don't want this conversation to shut down because I could use all the information I can get when I finally go to make a decision. Right now, I'm leaning in the direction of seeing if we could delete and re-create the group, which is going to be disruptive for over a thousand people... ouch!

Aodhan McDunnough

That's why I said "if."

Group names inside SL would be a much simpler matter than web domains. It is easy for LL to rename groups. Group names would be a single text data entry in the database. LL should supply at least that service given that the group names were made in good faith.

I strongly suggest making contact via the support portal. I don't recommend a group remake until you've exhausted the support portal avenue.

Khamon

What's up with this? Has anyone heard anything from any application they've made to the questions queue? I asked about SLU at Robin's office hour yesterday but was not answered although she was giving advice and permissions for other existing "hypothetical" cases. I see that breaking point over the horizon. Not here of course, but there.

ha ha ha I said There.

Slightly_Sweet

Well the SL Volunteer islands do belong to SL and Governor Linden. So those sims arent subject to the LL enforcement.
This is just sillyness though..Im wondering why LL didnt do this from the start, now they are just causing headaches for many people

Khamon

So I'm taking it nobody that posts here has any reply to their inquiries? Or is just none of my business?

FlipperPA Peregrine

Haven't heard a peep. I asked Catherine about it in NYC briefly, and as we had suspected, a lawyer wrote it up and she just had to deliver it. It was a "please don't kill the messenger!" moment, and she's always been good to me, so I let her live.

Hopefully I'll hear something soon, or I may visit Robin at an office hour and see what she thinks. She's normally the voice of reason!

Regards,

-Flip

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Aodhan McDunnough

I thought the same way when they opened registration before putting in the parcel push restrictions. I really don't know if in that case maybe they had the feature all along and were deliberately trying to see how bad the griefer situation gets before they activate the feature.