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Cinthya Loveless · 04-07-2008, 07:13 AM

To me its kind of crazy that LL thinks it can copy right 2 letters. Does this mean everyone in the world who wants to have BK in a name, busniess name, and/or whatever need to get permission form Burger King?

How lame can LL get.

Aodhan McDunnough · 04-07-2008, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cinthya Loveless

To me its kind of crazy that LL thinks it can copy right 2 letters. Does this mean everyone in the world who wants to have BK in a name, busniess name, and/or whatever need to get permission form Burger King?

How lame can LL get.

From all I've read I don't think they're copyrighting the two letter SL at all. What I see is a usage guideline for the SL letters IF you have a Second Life associated name.

For example SL Vision (SL Vision) is not, and never was, an SL associated name, therefore does not fall under the scope of the guidelines at all. Btw I just plucked that site and URL out of thin air, and sure enough a real site existed.

SL Herald and SL Universe however are. Both were created with a connection to SL from the start and therefore are subject to the guidelines.

So to cut things short, usage of "SL" is ok ... provided that the usage is totally not related to Second Life.

If ever they try to push for an all-encompassing trademark on SL, then it won't prosper. They have the auto industry to contend with, among others.

Aodhan McDunnough · 04-07-2008, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cinthya Loveless

Whats going to happen with this site then? If LL wants to be posers over the SL words.

They're not posers.

I'm familiar with the trademark guidelines of Toastmasters International and Mensa and what LL is doing is nothing out of the ordinary. What bothers me is that they should have done this branding thing very early on. Branding is not a hit-and-miss thing, it's a very estabished process so they had nothing to lose with doing it early.

As for what will happen to SL Universe, leave that to Cris to work out. It's not for us to speculate at this point because as per guidelines, SLU is in violation. However these guidelines are new, and SLU was made in good faith long ago, complying with the prevailing rules at the time.

Cris and Flipper have been trying to reach a specific Linden (Robin is it?) to discuss the matter in a more civil manner.

For now, if it does not affect you personally, sit back and don't fuss about it. Let those that are affected handle the matter in peace.

Tyche Shepherd · 04-07-2008, 08:05 AM

But Aodhan - pointless speculation is the life blood of internet forums

I'm personally very interested in what LL intend doing about the following 50 sims which all use SL in their names - some are coincidences and probably not effected but others break the guidlines (assuming this is going to be enforced inworld as well as in RL)

Code:

Sl Nl                 
Sl Volunteer Hi       
SL Volunteer Island   
SL Volunteer Island S 
SL Volunteer Island SW
SL Volunteer Island W 
SL Volunteer OI       
Slaaash               
Slam1                 
SlangLife             
Slapdoogle            
SLASH                 
SLASH2                
Slate                 
Slaughter             
slavin regio          
SLDEV                 
SLDEVU                
SLDIMENSION           
Sled                  
SLeek                 
Sleeping Princess     
Sleepover             
Sleepy Hollow         
Sleepy Lion           
SLeezyWood            
SLIB                  
Sliderule             
slillustrated         
SLingHokuriku         
Slionhead Island      
Slipp                 
sLiterary             
Slitheen              
Slithert              
Slob                  
Slollywood            
Slosser               
Slovenia              
Slovenia Welcome      
slTeddy               
Slturkiye             
Slustleria            
Slutopia              
SLVEC                 
Slylandro             
Slyme                 
Slymington            
Sunnydale SL          
Ut Austin Sl

Aodhan McDunnough · 04-07-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyche Shepherd

But Aodhan - pointless speculation is the life blood of internet forums

I'm personally very interested in what LL intend doing about the following 50 sims which all use SL in their names - some are coincidences and probably not effected but others break the guidlines (assuming this is going to be enforced inworld as well as in RL)

Pointless speculation I can do without. We're flooded with enough information as is.

re: the list

It's going to be interesting for sure.

As for me, with regard to naming, I always considered it good practice to avoid the hostname (Second Life in this case) completely when choosing a name. That way you never have to deal with trademark and copyright issues.

Brenda Archer · 04-07-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aodhan McDunnough

For now, if it does not affect you personally, sit back and don't fuss about it. Let those that are affected handle the matter in peace.

Aodhan, there's a whole lot of affected people. I'm affected because I founded a large group that now has to change its name, and I'm sure there are many other people here who are directly affected. I don't want this conversation to shut down because I could use all the information I can get when I finally go to make a decision. Right now, I'm leaning in the direction of seeing if we could delete and re-create the group, which is going to be disruptive for over a thousand people... ouch!

Aodhan McDunnough · 04-07-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brenda Archer

Aodhan, there's a whole lot of affected people. I'm affected because I founded a large group that now has to change its name, and I'm sure there are many other people here who are directly affected. I don't want this conversation to shut down because I could use all the information I can get when I finally go to make a decision. Right now, I'm leaning in the direction of seeing if we could delete and re-create the group, which is going to be disruptive for over a thousand people... ouch!

That's why I said "if."

Group names inside SL would be a much simpler matter than web domains. It is easy for LL to rename groups. Group names would be a single text data entry in the database. LL should supply at least that service given that the group names were made in good faith.

I strongly suggest making contact via the support portal. I don't recommend a group remake until you've exhausted the support portal avenue.

Khamon · 04-09-2008, 10:53 AM

What's up with this? Has anyone heard anything from any application they've made to the questions queue? I asked about SLU at Robin's office hour yesterday but was not answered although she was giving advice and permissions for other existing "hypothetical" cases. I see that breaking point over the horizon. Not here of course, but there.

ha ha ha I said There.

Slightly_Sweet · 04-09-2008, 10:59 AM

Well the SL Volunteer islands do belong to SL and Governor Linden. So those sims arent subject to the LL enforcement.
This is just sillyness though..Im wondering why LL didnt do this from the start, now they are just causing headaches for many people

Khamon · 04-09-2008, 02:45 PM

So I'm taking it nobody that posts here has any reply to their inquiries? Or is just none of my business?

FlipperPA Peregrine · 04-09-2008, 03:08 PM

Haven't heard a peep. I asked Catherine about it in NYC briefly, and as we had suspected, a lawyer wrote it up and she just had to deliver it. It was a "please don't kill the messenger!" moment, and she's always been good to me, so I let her live.

Hopefully I'll hear something soon, or I may visit Robin at an office hour and see what she thinks. She's normally the voice of reason!

Regards,

-Flip

Aodhan McDunnough · 04-09-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Slightly_Sweet

This is just sillyness though..Im wondering why LL didnt do this from the start, now they are just causing headaches for many people

I thought the same way when they opened registration before putting in the parcel push restrictions. I really don't know if in that case maybe they had the feature all along and were deliberately trying to see how bad the griefer situation gets before they activate the feature.

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Tyche Shepherd Fortuna vitrea est enjoying the victor's spoils Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Posts: 5,396 My Mood: SL Join Date: 26th April 2007 Awards: 1	But Aodhan - pointless speculation is the life blood of internet forums I'm personally very interested in what LL intend doing about the following 50 sims which all use SL in their names - some are coincidences and probably not effected but others break the guidlines (assuming this is going to be enforced inworld as well as in RL) Code: Sl Nl Sl Volunteer Hi SL Volunteer Island SL Volunteer Island S SL Volunteer Island SW SL Volunteer Island W SL Volunteer OI Slaaash Slam1 SlangLife Slapdoogle SLASH SLASH2 Slate Slaughter slavin regio SLDEV SLDEVU SLDIMENSION Sled SLeek Sleeping Princess Sleepover Sleepy Hollow Sleepy Lion SLeezyWood SLIB Sliderule slillustrated SLingHokuriku Slionhead Island Slipp sLiterary Slitheen Slithert Slob Slollywood Slosser Slovenia Slovenia Welcome slTeddy Slturkiye Slustleria Slutopia SLVEC Slylandro Slyme Slymington Sunnydale SL Ut Austin Sl __________________ Vanguard of the LolCatz Revolution This Post was financed by The National LolCatz Archives Clancy Sullivan :Yeah. YEAH! The sultry seamstress of mirth is definitely in charge now. Certified 7.8 on the Official Non-Arbitrary Trout Algorithmic Slut scale A public copy of my Second Life Main Grid Survey Database can be found at http://www.gridsurvey.com - Now with added Second Life Incidents !!

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Khamon BUY TREES MOAR1 Iz a timeout Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 4,816 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 2 SL Join Date: November, 2003 Business: Fate Gardens Flowers and Trees	What's up with this? Has anyone heard anything from any application they've made to the questions queue? I asked about SLU at Robin's office hour yesterday but was not answered although she was giving advice and permissions for other existing "hypothetical" cases. I see that breaking point over the horizon. Not here of course, but there. ha ha ha I said There. __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song. - Quenta Silmarillion Please Visit Our Gardens and Our Website

04-09-2008, 03:08 PM	#311 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 6,372 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 1 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon	Haven't heard a peep. I asked Catherine about it in NYC briefly, and as we had suspected, a lawyer wrote it up and she just had to deliver it. It was a "please don't kill the messenger!" moment, and she's always been good to me, so I let her live. Hopefully I'll hear something soon, or I may visit Robin at an office hour and see what she thinks. She's normally the voice of reason! Regards, -Flip __________________ Peregrine Salon: Flip & Jenn's thang.

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04-07-2008, 07:13 AM	#301 (permalink)
Cinthya Loveless Loser Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 91 My Mood: SL Join Date: 11/7/2004	To me its kind of crazy that LL thinks it can copy right 2 letters. Does this mean everyone in the world who wants to have BK in a name, busniess name, and/or whatever need to get permission form Burger King? How lame can LL get.

04-09-2008, 10:59 AM	#309 (permalink)
Slightly_Sweet You aren't that great. Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NY, NY Posts: 58 My Mood: SL Join Date: June 2007	Well the SL Volunteer islands do belong to SL and Governor Linden. So those sims arent subject to the LL enforcement. This is just sillyness though..Im wondering why LL didnt do this from the start, now they are just causing headaches for many people

04-09-2008, 02:45 PM	#310 (permalink)
Khamon BUY TREES MOAR1 Iz a timeout Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 4,816 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 2 SL Join Date: November, 2003 Business: Fate Gardens Flowers and Trees	So I'm taking it nobody that posts here has any reply to their inquiries? Or is just none of my business?

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