Jennyfur

I think everyone with SL or Second Life related URLs should sell them to one of those companies that holds URLs hostage for lots of cash.

Does anyone wonder if we will eventually see Linden Lab starting to scoop up any of these URLs and brands for their own projects?

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FlipperPA Peregrine

I think we should start up SLAgePlay.com - since it has two common nouns, and all. I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall.

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Jennyfur

How about SLsucksDonkeyBalls.com?
SLFecalFetishists.com
SLcaneataBagofDick.com

Oh the possibilities are endless. The two noun thing is stupid. I don't get what the difference between SL plus one noun or two nouns is other than a pointless technicality.

I mean Blizzard seems to allow third party sites to have WoW in their titles... like wowhead.com, wowiki, wowinsider etc.

Ray Figtree

I joined in May 2006. It's mind-boggling to me how many poor decisions and horribly-worded communications I've seen in that short time. I don't have this much interaction with many companies, but I'd like to see one that considers their consumer less than SL™ does. Or one that shoots themselves in the foot more.

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Jennyfur

Everything about Second Life has been myopic and short-sited from the get go. Its been one temporary fix on top of another on top of another. The grid has been held together with duck tape and safety pins for years.

Sometimes it seems as if Second Life as it is has no potential for longevity. Yes, it has paved the way for revolutionizing virtual worlds and for the potential that they can be used for, but as far as the platform goes Second Life will be crushed once a competitor does it better. Unless, however, if they are bought by Google or Microsoft. In which case, who knows a Microsoft virtual world would suck on principal. Google would probably have to rerwrite the entire codebase and make a 2.0 version that actually worked.

FlipperPA Peregrine

The thing that gets me about the domain names is the only well known sites that follow SLnoun.com are run by people who've been incredibly involved and supportive of Second Life for *years*, often without pay (or minimal revenues, at best). Linden Lab encouraging us for so long, and now switching up? They really should have grandfathered those people who went out of their way to follow the previous policy.

Regards,

-Flip

Cristiano

I also love the "it's nothing personal" bullshit. Of course it's not personal to them - they don't care that there are people affected by what they are doing. They repeatedly show that they don't give a fuck about those who have supported them, helped their business grow, and stuck with them. It's a slap in the face, and very personal indeed. If Catherine weren't simply an overrated mouthpiece, I would tell her what she could do with her response, but it's not even worth the effort.

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FlipperPA Peregrine

The letter I posted was a form letter they lawyers wrote up, BTW - not a personal response from Catherine. I CC'd Catherine (who's on vacation) and hope to hear back directly from her. Just to clarify...

Regards,

-Flip

Cristiano

Yeah I know she didn't most likely write the form letter, but her responses in the blog have been pretty infuriating too. Yet, she is just the messenger.

Joshua Nightshade

Actually of the trademark thing what surprised me was the consideration of allowing old domain names to be forwarded.

As in I was surprised they didn't demand all old domain names turned over to them as well.

Cristiano

That is the part that makes me even more angry - that they would not even allow forwarding of the old domain. Sites have built up search engine presences which would just be completely invalidated. It is so arrogant on their part it makes me want to fucking scream.

Joshua Nightshade

This is my advice, on my admittedly small understanding of trademark law. To sites that have been established for years prior to this announcement, tell them to fuck off.

This trademark coup will not hold weight in court. They've used services with these domain names before. Your example of Torley is great, Torley's been sending shit to Snapzilla en masse before and after becoming a Linden. Collect emails documenting when you asked if it was okay, when you asked what the naming convention actually was. Demonstrate that they had no issue with it before.

They can't just come now and decide years after the fact that somehow their inane and asinine trademark needs to be protected. They didn't care before, don't let them capitalize on us and our effort because they want an IPO.

Cocoanut Koala

I didn't realize they wouldn't even allow that!

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Cocoanut Koala

Well then they will just kick you out of SL, so what good will that do?

Who has the money or motivation to then sue them to get back in?

coco

Dnate Mars

Exactly. If you can prove they have given permission in the past, they can't easily just revoke them all. Going forward they can enforce the new rules. But I am not a lawyer. I just think someone needs to smack who ever came up with this idea upside the head.

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Jennyfur

Wait. What? I didn't catch this... they aren't even allowing domains to forward to their new addresses? I'm confused. How could they mandate such a thing? So like sluniverse.com wouldn't be able to forward to say suckmyballsLL.com? You would have to rebuild and rebrand from scratch? So, sluniverse.com would be a deadlink that provided no forwarding? If this is correct, what asshats!

Cubey Terra

If LL takes legal action against SLU for the sluniverse.com domain name that not only complied with previous rules, but also had the blessing of Linden Lab, I will shut down all of my activities in SL, close my Cubey Terra account, and use all of my spare time to convince anyone who will listen to go anywhere but SL for a metaverse presence. I can't believe they would use threats against the very people who promoted SL the most. This is inexcusable. I'm disgusted that they would turn on their user base with a 90 day ultimatum.

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Dnate Mars

I would go even farther and put up money to help fight LL in court. Then I would leave and find a new home elsewhere.

BEARintheMorning

Cubey, I don't know if you recall, and I really don't expect you to, but back in the Recology Estate days you helped me out with a project by making your freebie Dolphin a temp on rez that we could provide residents with free sub rides and they'd of course disappear after use saving us a lot of headaches.

What's more is you did that for FREE and I will never forget that.

I will also never forget the IM conversations we had. I think I was only about 3 months in SL at the time and you were very accommodating and provided me with great insight and information.

I have to admit to feeling a little special having had those conversations with you and they meant a lot to me and still do.

I have the utmost respect for who you are and what you've done for SL and LL.

With that said, I also have the utmost respect for Cris and SLU.

If it ever comes to this I will also dissolve my SL interests and use my radio show to convince people the same.

There is viable competition to this particular virtual world on the horizon and I will do my damnedest to promote there rather than in SL. Between myself and my affiliates we have brought quite a few people into SL and generated business. Yes I know, big deal right? But that is business that LL would otherwise not have been able to take advantage of.

I think the days of LL taking advantage of anything or anyone are numbered by their own actions in this situation.

If anyone has noticed my sig it contains my show's media links. You will also notice they're provided by "SecondlifeStream.com". Much like many others, Cruise has put a lot of time and effort into building his brand over the past 15 months with no objection from LL and he's now getting the "sorry, this is our decision and it stands" bullshit.

The only question remains is - where to go?

I hope that question answers itself in very short order.

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Joshua Nightshade

Let them kick me out of SL.

And then I'll start slabuse.com

And buy slsucks.com

And llhatesitsuserbase.net

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Phoenix Psaltery

Holy shit. <Calls broker and buys stock in Astroglide>

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Ten

Um, was that post even from this thread? I swear I've seen it two weeks ago in a totally unrelated thread.

Looks like the weed might be making its rounds.

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Tenshi see that little arrow next to Phoenix's name? Click it. Takes you to the quoted post.

LL to enforce brand name