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Jennyfur · 04-02-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Beau Perkins

Hmmm, so what can I do with this URL? There must be something creatvie I cant get into legal trouble for.

I think everyone with SL or Second Life related URLs should sell them to one of those companies that holds URLs hostage for lots of cash.

Does anyone wonder if we will eventually see Linden Lab starting to scoop up any of these URLs and brands for their own projects?

FlipperPA Peregrine · 04-02-2008, 01:50 PM

I think we should start up SLAgePlay.com - since it has two common nouns, and all.

I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall.

Regards,

-Flip

Jennyfur · 04-02-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

I think we should start up SLAgePlay.com - since it has two common nouns, and all.

I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall.

Regards,

-Flip

How about SLsucksDonkeyBalls.com?
SLFecalFetishists.com
SLcaneataBagofDick.com

Oh the possibilities are endless. The two noun thing is stupid. I don't get what the difference between SL plus one noun or two nouns is other than a pointless technicality.

I mean Blizzard seems to allow third party sites to have WoW in their titles... like wowhead.com, wowiki, wowinsider etc.

Ray Figtree · 04-02-2008, 02:16 PM

I joined in May 2006. It's mind-boggling to me how many poor decisions and horribly-worded communications I've seen in that short time. I don't have this much interaction with many companies, but I'd like to see one that considers their consumer less than SL™ does. Or one that shoots themselves in the foot more.

Jennyfur · 04-02-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Figtree

I joined in May 2006. It's mind-boggling to me how many poor decisions and horribly-worded communications I've seen in that short time. I don't have this much interaction with many companies, but I'd like to see one that considers their consumer less than SL™ does. Or one that shoots themselves in the foot more.

Everything about Second Life has been myopic and short-sited from the get go. Its been one temporary fix on top of another on top of another. The grid has been held together with duck tape and safety pins for years.

Sometimes it seems as if Second Life as it is has no potential for longevity. Yes, it has paved the way for revolutionizing virtual worlds and for the potential that they can be used for, but as far as the platform goes Second Life will be crushed once a competitor does it better. Unless, however, if they are bought by Google or Microsoft. In which case, who knows a Microsoft virtual world would suck on principal. Google would probably have to rerwrite the entire codebase and make a 2.0 version that actually worked.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 04-02-2008, 03:21 PM

The thing that gets me about the domain names is the only well known sites that follow SLnoun.com are run by people who've been incredibly involved and supportive of Second Life for *years*, often without pay (or minimal revenues, at best). Linden Lab encouraging us for so long, and now switching up? They really should have grandfathered those people who went out of their way to follow the previous policy.

Regards,

-Flip

Cristiano · 04-02-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

The thing that gets me about the domain names is the only well known sites that follow SLnoun.com are run by people who've been incredibly involved and supportive of Second Life for *years*, often without pay (or minimal revenues, at best). Linden Lab encouraging us for so long, and now switching up? They really should have grandfathered those people who went out of their way to follow the previous policy.

I also love the "it's nothing personal" bullshit. Of course it's not personal to them - they don't care that there are people affected by what they are doing. They repeatedly show that they don't give a fuck about those who have supported them, helped their business grow, and stuck with them. It's a slap in the face, and very personal indeed. If Catherine weren't simply an overrated mouthpiece, I would tell her what she could do with her response, but it's not even worth the effort.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 04-02-2008, 03:38 PM

The letter I posted was a form letter they lawyers wrote up, BTW - not a personal response from Catherine. I CC'd Catherine (who's on vacation) and hope to hear back directly from her. Just to clarify...

Regards,

-Flip

Cristiano · 04-02-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

The letter I posted was a form letter they lawyers wrote up, BTW - not a personal response from Catherine. I CC'd Catherine (who's on vacation) and hope to hear back directly from her. Just to clarify...

Regards,

-Flip

Yeah I know she didn't most likely write the form letter, but her responses in the blog have been pretty infuriating too. Yet, she is just the messenger.

Joshua Nightshade · 04-02-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jennyfur

I think everyone with SL or Second Life related URLs should sell them to one of those companies that holds URLs hostage for lots of cash.

Does anyone wonder if we will eventually see Linden Lab starting to scoop up any of these URLs and brands for their own projects?

Actually of the trademark thing what surprised me was the consideration of allowing old domain names to be forwarded.

As in I was surprised they didn't demand all old domain names turned over to them as well.

Cristiano · 04-02-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Actually of the trademark thing what surprised me was the consideration of allowing old domain names to be forwarded.

As in I was surprised they didn't demand all old domain names turned over to them as well.

That is the part that makes me even more angry - that they would not even allow forwarding of the old domain. Sites have built up search engine presences which would just be completely invalidated. It is so arrogant on their part it makes me want to fucking scream.

Joshua Nightshade · 04-02-2008, 04:34 PM

This is my advice, on my admittedly small understanding of trademark law. To sites that have been established for years prior to this announcement, tell them to fuck off.

This trademark coup will not hold weight in court. They've used services with these domain names before. Your example of Torley is great, Torley's been sending shit to Snapzilla en masse before and after becoming a Linden. Collect emails documenting when you asked if it was okay, when you asked what the naming convention actually was. Demonstrate that they had no issue with it before.

They can't just come now and decide years after the fact that somehow their inane and asinine trademark needs to be protected. They didn't care before, don't let them capitalize on us and our effort because they want an IPO.

Cocoanut Koala · 04-02-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

That is the part that makes me even more angry - that they would not even allow forwarding of the old domain. Sites have built up search engine presences which would just be completely invalidated. It is so arrogant on their part it makes me want to fucking scream.

I didn't realize they wouldn't even allow that!

coco

Cocoanut Koala · 04-02-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

This is my advice, on my admittedly small understanding of trademark law. To sites that have been established for years prior to this announcement, tell them to fuck off.

This trademark coup will not hold weight in court. They've used services with these domain names before. Your example of Torley is great, Torley's been sending shit to Snapzilla en masse before and after becoming a Linden. Collect emails documenting when you asked if it was okay, when you asked what the naming convention actually was. Demonstrate that they had no issue with it before.

They can't just come now and decide years after the fact that somehow their inane and asinine trademark needs to be protected. They didn't care before, don't let them capitalize on us and our effort because they want an IPO.

Well then they will just kick you out of SL, so what good will that do?

Who has the money or motivation to then sue them to get back in?

coco

Dnate Mars · 04-02-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

This is my advice, on my admittedly small understanding of trademark law. To sites that have been established for years prior to this announcement, tell them to fuck off.

This trademark coup will not hold weight in court. They've used services with these domain names before. Your example of Torley is great, Torley's been sending shit to Snapzilla en masse before and after becoming a Linden. Collect emails documenting when you asked if it was okay, when you asked what the naming convention actually was. Demonstrate that they had no issue with it before.

They can't just come now and decide years after the fact that somehow their inane and asinine trademark needs to be protected. They didn't care before, don't let them capitalize on us and our effort because they want an IPO.

Exactly. If you can prove they have given permission in the past, they can't easily just revoke them all. Going forward they can enforce the new rules. But I am not a lawyer. I just think someone needs to smack who ever came up with this idea upside the head.

Jennyfur · 04-02-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

That is the part that makes me even more angry - that they would not even allow forwarding of the old domain. Sites have built up search engine presences which would just be completely invalidated. It is so arrogant on their part it makes me want to fucking scream.

Wait. What? I didn't catch this... they aren't even allowing domains to forward to their new addresses? I'm confused. How could they mandate such a thing? So like sluniverse.com wouldn't be able to forward to say suckmyballsLL.com? You would have to rebuild and rebrand from scratch? So, sluniverse.com would be a deadlink that provided no forwarding? If this is correct, what asshats!

Cubey Terra · 04-02-2008, 06:25 PM

If LL takes legal action against SLU for the sluniverse.com domain name that not only complied with previous rules, but also had the blessing of Linden Lab, I will shut down all of my activities in SL, close my Cubey Terra account, and use all of my spare time to convince anyone who will listen to go anywhere but SL for a metaverse presence. I can't believe they would use threats against the very people who promoted SL the most. This is inexcusable. I'm disgusted that they would turn on their user base with a 90 day ultimatum.

Dnate Mars · 04-02-2008, 06:39 PM

I would go even farther and put up money to help fight LL in court. Then I would leave and find a new home elsewhere.

BEARintheMorning · 04-02-2008, 06:42 PM

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04-02-2008, 01:50 PM	#252 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 5,204 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	I think we should start up SLAgePlay.com - since it has two common nouns, and all. I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall. Regards, -Flip __________________ Peregrine Salon: Flip & Jenn's thang.

04-02-2008, 02:16 PM	#254 (permalink)
Ray Figtree All good things One love. One heart. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,197 SL Join Date: 5/13/2006 My Mood:	I joined in May 2006. It's mind-boggling to me how many poor decisions and horribly-worded communications I've seen in that short time. I don't have this much interaction with many companies, but I'd like to see one that considers their consumer less than SL™ does. Or one that shoots themselves in the foot more. __________________ Eckhart Tolle/Pema Chodron in '08! Pema's Platform Offline pursuing RL dreams.

04-02-2008, 06:25 PM	#267 (permalink)
Cubey Terra aircraft manufacturer in the clouds Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 295 SL Join Date: September 2003 SLShopper Ads: 9	If LL takes legal action against SLU for the sluniverse.com domain name that not only complied with previous rules, but also had the blessing of Linden Lab, I will shut down all of my activities in SL, close my Cubey Terra account, and use all of my spare time to convince anyone who will listen to go anywhere but SL for a metaverse presence. I can't believe they would use threats against the very people who promoted SL the most. This is inexcusable. I'm disgusted that they would turn on their user base with a 90 day ultimatum. __________________ . . . . . Cubey Terra Terra Aeronautics @ Abbotts Aerodrome www.cubeyterra.com

04-02-2008, 03:21 PM	#256 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 5,204 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	The thing that gets me about the domain names is the only well known sites that follow SLnoun.com are run by people who've been incredibly involved and supportive of Second Life for years, often without pay (or minimal revenues, at best). Linden Lab encouraging us for so long, and now switching up? They really should have grandfathered those people who went out of their way to follow the previous policy. Regards, -Flip

04-02-2008, 03:38 PM	#258 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 5,204 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	The letter I posted was a form letter they lawyers wrote up, BTW - not a personal response from Catherine. I CC'd Catherine (who's on vacation) and hope to hear back directly from her. Just to clarify... Regards, -Flip

04-02-2008, 04:34 PM	#262 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	This is my advice, on my admittedly small understanding of trademark law. To sites that have been established for years prior to this announcement, tell them to fuck off. This trademark coup will not hold weight in court. They've used services with these domain names before. Your example of Torley is great, Torley's been sending shit to Snapzilla en masse before and after becoming a Linden. Collect emails documenting when you asked if it was okay, when you asked what the naming convention actually was. Demonstrate that they had no issue with it before. They can't just come now and decide years after the fact that somehow their inane and asinine trademark needs to be protected. They didn't care before, don't let them capitalize on us and our effort because they want an IPO.

04-02-2008, 06:39 PM	#268 (permalink)
Dnate Mars Tastes like purple Waiting for the right time Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: On the move again Posts: 8,053 Funny Bubbles Champion! Wordtris Champion! SL Join Date: 01/27/2004 Business: Scripter for hire My Mood:	I would go even farther and put up money to help fight LL in court. Then I would leave and find a new home elsewhere.

04-02-2008, 06:42 PM	#269 (permalink)
BEARintheMorning Is this thing ON?!? Virtually burned out. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,946 SL Join Date: March 17, 2007 Business: BEARly There Enterprises SLShopper Ads: 10 My Mood:	Quote: