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Lordfly Digeridoo · 03-16-2008, 12:09 PM

$L100 says LL releases Web on a Prim, Mono, Havok4, and Windlight all at the same time, and calls this release "Second Life version 2.0"

Any takers?

Brenda Archer · 03-16-2008, 12:11 PM

It's quite possible. Will they also fix the inventory, group message and memory leak issues?

Malachi · 03-16-2008, 12:16 PM

I like the sound of "Second Life Vista" myself.

Lordfly Digeridoo · 03-16-2008, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brenda Archer

It's quite possible. Will they also fix the inventory, group message and memory leak issues?

No.

Huns Valens · 03-16-2008, 12:21 PM

Nah. Even if they did all those things at the same time they wouldn't call it secondlife 2.0.

Brenda Archer · 03-16-2008, 12:21 PM

*sighs*

mcgeeb Gupte · 03-16-2008, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

says LL releases Web on a Prim, Mono, Havok4, and Windlight all at the same time, and calls this release "Second Life version 2.0"

Any takers?

Sure if they want to destroy the grid by releasing everything on it at once.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 03-16-2008, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

says LL releases Web on a Prim, Mono, Havok4, and Windlight all at the same time, and calls this release "Second Life version 2.0"

Any takers?

I thought that was supposed to be version 1.8?

WarKirby Magojiro · 03-16-2008, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

says LL releases Web on a Prim, Mono, Havok4, and Windlight all at the same time, and calls this release "Second Life version 2.0"

Any takers?

No. They'll call it version 1.20

And 100 L$ isn't a lot to bet, you must not be very confident >.>

jauani · 03-16-2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

says LL releases Web on a Prim, Mono, Havok4, and Windlight all at the same time, and calls this release "Second Life version 2.0"

Any takers?

i'll take that bet.

2.0 will be entirely about scaling. everything else is trivial in comparision.

Khamon · 03-16-2008, 07:50 PM

They won't call it 2.0 until they've successfully implemented avatar presence and inventory systems that are independent of the simulator code.

Psyke Phaeton · 03-16-2008, 08:02 PM

Give Mono now!!!

Stickman · 03-17-2008, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

I thought that was supposed to be version 1.8?

We've got groan and laugh and thank... where's the "burned" button?

Nimrod Yaffle · 03-17-2008, 05:59 AM

I would hope they learned not to publish 2 major updates at once. Especially 4.

WarKirby Magojiro · 03-17-2008, 05:59 AM

I don't think SL will become v2.0 EVER.

I predict endless increments of the second value.

Roll on Second Life v1.99999.0

Huns Valens · 03-17-2008, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyke Phaeton

Give Mono now!!!

Well, if you tongue kiss enough of the right kind of people you can get it pretty quick.

Annika Bekkers · 03-17-2008, 01:01 PM

My prediction is that they're watching the open-source projects closely, and once one of them is far enough along with a solid enough foundation for growth, they'll pour all of their support into it, hire the main devs as Lindens, and call THAT Second Life 2.0

Mecha Dinosaur · 03-17-2008, 01:20 PM

I predict that the client will hit 2.0 with just a minor update. The same for 3.0 and 4.0, ect.

How do I shot version?

Persephone Milk · 03-17-2008, 01:25 PM

I really don't think they will try to release all of this at the same time. They have done some nutty things. But releasing Havok 4 and Mono at the same time seems very foolish. No, I think 2.0 will be the "Dazzle" release.

Psyke Phaeton · 03-17-2008, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blog

Server Code Update Tue/Wed/Thu This Week
Monday, March 17th, 2008 at 4:00 PM by: Joshua Linden

We’ll be updating the server code on the hosts that make up the Second Life service this week to server code version 1.19.2 (current version is 1.19.1). As has been the case for quite some time now, this will be done via a rolling restart spread over several days, and there will be no extended downtime or new viewer required.

The list of changes is fairly small, and there should be no noticeable effect in-world:

* Support for PRIM_GLOW in llSetPrimitiveParams - this will require a forthcoming viewer update to author and compile scripts that use this, however
* Additional internal web service infrastructure work to remove dependencies on central databases (initially disabled, we’ll then slowly start flipping services on)
* Additional internal logging and diagnostics to track down the cause of various failures
* Fix for a rare “I just saw someone else’s IM!?!?!” bug

LULZ!

Bard Jameson · 03-17-2008, 06:47 PM

Oh. THIS fix will be SL 2.0

Lordfly Digeridoo · 03-17-2008, 06:51 PM

I didn't say "next" release.

Psyke Phaeton · 03-17-2008, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Periapse Linden

March 13th, 2008 at 9:18 AM
Mono Beta Refresh 5 « Official Second Life Blog

As Creem says, the meta JIRA has links to all Mono issues:
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1276
You can see the resolved issues linked in the left column, and the still unresolved issues (a much smaller column!) on the right.

The purpose for this beta is to achieve the best compatibility between the LSL2 and Mono VMs. Our current milestone doesn’t include taking Mono to the Main Grid. Instead we are discussing, internally and with residents, what the next milestone should be. Should we start a drive to get Mono on the Main Grid? Or should we add some enhancements first (several being considered)? Or should we shift to working on improving the simulator scheduling strategies? There are arguments for all these, and if you’d like to join the discussion please come to one of the office hours listed on the Mono Beta FAQ page:
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mono_beta_FAQ
Much thanks to all the residents who have been testing Mono, finding bugs, and contributing to the discussion on our future course.

They are kidding right? Rather than bring in a scripting engine that uses less resources lets discuss "improving it" or doing other things first!!

WTF... I AM WAITING DAMN IT!!!

Malachi · 03-17-2008, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyke Phaeton

They are kidding right? Rather than bring in a scripting engine that uses less resources lets discuss "improving it" or doing other things first!!

In a former life, part of my job was rescuing pathological software projects from themselves. A very common cause was a leader who could make no distinction at all between the relative merits of courses A, B, C, and D and therefore decided to do them all simultaneously and wondered why there was no progress on any of them. Yes, I know that this sounds like I pulled it from Dilbert, but it was distressingly common in the "field".

CaleVinson · 03-18-2008, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyke Phaeton

They are kidding right? Rather than bring in a scripting engine that uses less resources lets discuss "improving it" or doing other things first!!

WTF... I AM WAITING DAMN IT!!!

From the same blog post, entry #16:

Quote:

16 Periapse Linden Says:

March 13th, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Crystal, TaraLi — is Mono the BIG enhancement? Maybe so, and we are certainly leaning toward pushing this out onto the Main Grid as the next step. However I want to be clear that it isn’t quite so obvious an immediate win as it is with, say, Havok4. An improved physics engine in the simulator gives immediate benefit, because all physics runs through it. But the benefits of Mono in terms of lag reduction or simulator fps depend on how many scripts in the region have converted over to Mono. We’ve discussed this a lot at office hours, and there is no “automatic conversion to Mono” that doesn’t break a lot of content. So the win for Mono comes gradually as more and more LSL programmers release Mono versions of their scripts.

I don't follow this stuff very closely, but up until now I had assumed that there *would* be some automatic conversion process. In the absence of that process, I can't fault the above argument that *immediate* impact of mono will be small.

I want Mono too, just saying I can appreciate the argument.

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Mecha Dinosaur CS Violator I play Mabinogi, do you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,098 SL Join Date: 6/13/2006 Blog Entries: 3 My Mood:	I predict that the client will hit 2.0 with just a minor update. The same for 3.0 and 4.0, ect. How do I shot version? __________________

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Brenda Archer Tired Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Portland Posts: 3,436 SL Join Date: 4/28/2005 Blog Entries: 3 My Mood:	It's quite possible. Will they also fix the inventory, group message and memory leak issues?

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Malachi the bathwater & the baby fish and bees are inherently sarcastic Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,395	I like the sound of "Second Life Vista" myself.

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Brenda Archer Tired Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Portland Posts: 3,436 SL Join Date: 4/28/2005 Blog Entries: 3 My Mood:	sighs

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WarKirby Magojiro Doing stuff busy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 2,708 SL Join Date: 14/10/2006 Business: MagoTek Industries SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	I don't think SL will become v2.0 EVER. I predict endless increments of the second value. Roll on Second Life v1.99999.0

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Annika Bekkers Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 47 My Mood:	My prediction is that they're watching the open-source projects closely, and once one of them is far enough along with a solid enough foundation for growth, they'll pour all of their support into it, hire the main devs as Lindens, and call THAT Second Life 2.0

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Persephone Milk Musical Alchemist Mixolydian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,473 SL Join Date: October 5, 2004 Business: Musical Alchemy SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	I really don't think they will try to release all of this at the same time. They have done some nutty things. But releasing Havok 4 and Mono at the same time seems very foolish. No, I think 2.0 will be the "Dazzle" release.

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