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Cristiano · 03-14-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dnate Mars

This is what I am hoping happens. It would be a very good thing for LL.

I think it will be a good thing too. I did not want to see Philip out of LL altogether, just in a different role. Even though I have lost some of it, I still respect the man for his vision and passion.

Jarod Godel · 03-14-2008, 02:14 PM

Synergy:

I think this could be a good thing. Philip Rosedale doesn't have the "vision" people credit him for; Second Life was never meant to be a metaverse, it was supposed to be a haptic interface technology. SL is technically a happy accident from a failed product (re: Citydesk, FogBUGZ.)

Maybe now Linden Lab will get someone who understands the technological landscape and how software really works.

Michael Bigwig · 03-14-2008, 02:52 PM

Hahah...there was an actual listing on SF-based Craig's List...and it was flagged to be removed...

Funny.

Quiplash · 03-14-2008, 03:06 PM

I bet that the recent Gartner Group report on SL (which is being discussed in another thread) was probably the last straw. Even though some of what GG said was laughable (Sony Home? BWA HA HA), the fact remains that people with power and purse strings DO listen to them.

Now what would be really interesting would be if Cory came back and took a whack at CEO. If not...well, Eliot Spitzer is available, I hear.

Oh, and somebody needs to start making up Serpentine/Farber 2008 lawn signs and bumper stickers for SL. There's money to be made here, people!!

Quiplash · 03-14-2008, 03:08 PM

I'm gonna be with the ones who stand back and wait to see what happens. This could be very good, very bad, or somewhere in between.

Asher Bertrand · 03-14-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiplash

This could be very good, very bad, or somewhere in between.

I like how you went out on a limb in your prediction!

Ten · 03-14-2008, 03:28 PM

LOL WHUT

I just got home, why is it I miss all the good shit while I'm at work???

Quiplash · 03-14-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

I like how you went out on a limb in your prediction!

I know I'm SUCH a daredevil

According to CNet news:
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"Corporate upheaval at Linden Lab has been going on for some time now. In December, Chief Technology Officer Cory Ondrejka left the company, and leaked e-mails seemed to indicate that Rosedale had fired him over creative differences."

That's the first I ever heard that Cory was fired.

Siyu Suen · 03-14-2008, 03:33 PM

Without reading 2 pages (I read this one and page 1), this is a very good thing and actually a very common thing for startup companies to do. It's become a completely different business in just a few years, and it's time to let someone else call the shots.

I can't wait!! This is wonderful news, and will probably change the entire infrastructure and the way problems and decisions are handled. Troubleshooting isn't the fun part of working there, and if they really are working entirely in the "Love Machine" model, no wonder we get Windlight, Havoc IV and sculpted prims while losing hundreds of USD in inventory and enjoying unplanned downtime.

I reiterate, YAY.

Khamon · 03-14-2008, 03:34 PM

Well Siyu, you just don't understand the complexities of the software LL have to deal with.

Siyu Suen · 03-14-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Khamon

Well Siyu, you just don't understand the complexities of the software LL have to deal with.

Very, very true. Maybe I used the wrong examples, but the general gist of what I was trying to convey was: If they're choosing what they're working on, rather than being assigned to a task, no one is going to choose the icky yucky troubleshooting problem tasks. I sure as hell wouldn't, but that's why I don't own a company. That's the artist/visionary core of LL, but sadly that's not what I think they need anymore. They need some spit polish, in my opinion, and since most startup companies switch to a new CEO who's more pragmatic than artistic after about 4-5 years, I'm hoping that's the angle they're going for.

Khamon · 03-14-2008, 03:47 PM

I'm just joshin you Siyu. LL's patent response to our suggestions over the years has always boiled down to "True, and I'm sorry you feel that way <insert name here>, but you simply don't understand the complexities of the software we're dealing with here."

It is the primary mantra of the Tao.

Cindy Claveau · 03-14-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siyu Suen

That's the artist/visionary core of LL, but sadly that's not what I think they need anymore. They need some spit polish, in my opinion

Russell Ziskey: We're not homosexuals, but we are willing to learn.
John Winger: Yeah, would they send us someplace special?

Jellin Pico · 03-14-2008, 03:54 PM

WOW

Phillip not the immediate boss

Very strange.

Is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning, to steal a quote from some movie?

On the one hand, like others said before, Phillip pretty much created SL, in not technically, in vision ... however, the guys not a businessman.

One thing that's going to make a real difference though ... the Captain of the Ship ... is no longer going to be "One of Us" .... he or she will be a suit.

This is definitely an end to an era of SL. It'll be a slower change than, what, 1.0 or 1.1, at the beginning of 2004, I forget ... but it'll be bigger than that.

Business forst, geekdom 3rd, 4th, maybe 5th.

Sooz Pascale · 03-14-2008, 04:00 PM

Was Rosedale ever "one of us"? seriously?

I always thought of him as a carnival barker lining up chumps for the shell game.

Sooz

Siyu Suen · 03-14-2008, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khamon

I'm just joshin you Siyu. LL's patent response to our suggestions over the years has always boiled down to "True, and I'm sorry you feel that way <insert name here>, but you simply don't understand the complexities of the software were dealing with here."

It is the primary mantra of the Tao.

OH!!

Stupid lack of inflection in the internet.

Use more smilies

Malachi · 03-14-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingrid

Sounds like Philip will still be very much part of LL.

That's also what you say in a press release when you have no replacement candidate in hand and you don't want the top 3/4 of your staff printing their resumes on the company printer.

Not that it will actually help, but it's a ruse worth trying.

Ingrid · 03-14-2008, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sooz Pascale

I always thought of him as a carnival barker lining up chumps for the shell game.

I wonder how many people feel this way about Philip. I've disagreed with some of the decisions LL has made but never really felt that negative about him. SL has helped with rent and mortgage payments for a while now as well as being an entertaining creative outlet. I just can't seem to muster that much disgruntledness about the guy.

Khamon · 03-14-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi

That's also what you say in a press release when you have no replacement candidate in hand and you don't want the top 3/4 of your staff printing their resumes on the company printer.

Well Malachi, you simply don't understand the complexities of the printers they're dealing with.

Jarod Godel · 03-14-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Khamon

Well Malachi, you simply don't understand the complexities of the printers they're dealing with.

I have no idea about those printers work, but I'm sure Zero does and as soon as the AWG figures out how to get things to print on paper without using paper to print, he'll happily explain it to us.

Khamon · 03-14-2008, 04:51 PM

AWG won't mind using paper; they'll just want the printer to produce the document without having to actually download the data from the connecting simulator that the stream will have to through in the first place.

See if the printer downloads the text codes, they might be stolen right?

Jarod Godel · 03-14-2008, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khamon

See if the printer downloads the text codes, they might be stolen right?

Yes?

No?

Bat'lith?

Khamon · 03-14-2008, 04:56 PM

Well Jarod, you simply don't understand the complexities of the AWG they're dealing with.

03-14-2008, 02:14 PM	#77 (permalink)
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Khamon Former Linden Fanzr Nobody Cares Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,591 SL Join Date: November, 2003 Business: Fate Gardens My Mood:	I'm just joshin you Siyu. LL's patent response to our suggestions over the years has always boiled down to "True, and I'm sorry you feel that way <insert name here>, but you simply don't understand the complexities of the software we're dealing with here." It is the primary mantra of the Tao. Last edited by Khamon; 03-14-2008 at 04:09 PM.

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Jellin Pico Booyakasha! I'm better than you Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: I hate L.A. Posts: 2,172 SL Join Date: July 2003 My Mood: Awards: 1	WOW Phillip not the immediate boss Very strange. Is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning, to steal a quote from some movie? On the one hand, like others said before, Phillip pretty much created SL, in not technically, in vision ... however, the guys not a businessman. One thing that's going to make a real difference though ... the Captain of the Ship ... is no longer going to be "One of Us" .... he or she will be a suit. This is definitely an end to an era of SL. It'll be a slower change than, what, 1.0 or 1.1, at the beginning of 2004, I forget ... but it'll be bigger than that. Business forst, geekdom 3rd, 4th, maybe 5th. __________________ Dolphins ... The Smug Bastards of the Sea

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Quiplash aka Dances With Skulls Going, going... Goth! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: in a box under the freeway Posts: 875 My Mood:	I bet that the recent Gartner Group report on SL (which is being discussed in another thread) was probably the last straw. Even though some of what GG said was laughable (Sony Home? BWA HA HA), the fact remains that people with power and purse strings DO listen to them. Now what would be really interesting would be if Cory came back and took a whack at CEO. If not...well, Eliot Spitzer is available, I hear. Oh, and somebody needs to start making up Serpentine/Farber 2008 lawn signs and bumper stickers for SL. There's money to be made here, people!!

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Quiplash aka Dances With Skulls Going, going... Goth! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: in a box under the freeway Posts: 875 My Mood:	I'm gonna be with the ones who stand back and wait to see what happens. This could be very good, very bad, or somewhere in between.

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Khamon Former Linden Fanzr Nobody Cares Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,591 SL Join Date: November, 2003 Business: Fate Gardens My Mood:	AWG won't mind using paper; they'll just want the printer to produce the document without having to actually download the data from the connecting simulator that the stream will have to through in the first place. See if the printer downloads the text codes, they might be stolen right?

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