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**Cristiano** · 03-04-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiplash

I still believe that we are entering a period of great upheaval in metaverse grids in general, and Second Life in particular. It's partly because of this belief that I have tiered down in SL. We may see some form of vendor boycott within SL, or even a mass defection to another grid (although it's hard to see any direct competitor in the near-term).

Damn, I gotta get that Miss Cleo fake-Jamaican-shaman avatar going...I'm in a predicting mood.

I definitely think 2008 is going to be a pivotal year in SL history - things are definitely changing very rapidly.

Ten · 03-04-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

I definitely think 2008 is going to be a pivotal year in SL history - things are definitely changing very rapidly.

Well, let's hope so.

Surreal · 03-04-2008, 10:43 PM

I think SL is going to be the Netscape of the metaverse.

**Cristiano** · 03-04-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

I think SL is going to be the Netscape of the metaverse.

OpenSim is well on its way to becoming the Mozilla of the metaverse. The developments there are incredibly exciting - the latest realXtend release moves things even further along, and shockingly, they delivered everything they promised, on time.

YouTube - realXtend 0.2 Technology Demo Video

Ten · 03-04-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

The developments there are incredibly exciting - the latest RealXtend release moves things even further along, and shockingly, they delivered everything they promised, on time.

Brenda Archer · 03-05-2008, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

This broke the image processing on Snapzilla, which deleted the images it could not handle. It took hours of work to try to figure out what the hell was even happening. I am not very happy with LL right now. Change is fine, but good lord, they can at least announce it. I wouldn't even hope for notification personally at this point, but I imagine this bullshit is probably buried in some release note or JIRA, if at all. Am I ranting here for nothing and just totally missed it? I cannot find reference to a change anywhere, certainly not one to explain it slowly changing over time on a Monday sim by sim.

For some reason this reminds me of the total lack of notification they did when they started billing for VAT.

Jesus H. Christ, what is that blog of theirs for besides navel gazing?

Do they have ANY kind of quality and communications processes in place at ALL?

Khamon · 03-05-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Brenda Archer

Do they have ANY kind of ~~quality and communications~~ processes in place at ALL?

fixed

and the answer is "no"

Cocoanut Koala · 03-05-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ten

You know, somehow I think Prok is a lot more subdued IRL than behind a text wall. That might just be me.

He is just a normal person.

coco

Cocoanut Koala · 03-05-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

I never saw Philip at any of the bars at the last SLCC. I saw him at the party at the hotel the first night that only the mentors (I think) technically were supposed to be in, yet everyone crashed it.

I'm glad! That everyone crashed it.

coco

Joshua Nightshade · 03-05-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

He is just a normal person.

coco

No.

Ewan Took · 03-05-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

No.

HE maybe normal, but is she?

Cocoanut Koala · 03-05-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

Glad to know Phillip can party and show up at events. What has caused so much disillusionment with me has been his basically being MIA in terms of leadership and taking responsibility for things. Robin got thrown under a bus over the ageplay thing, and he was nowhere to be found. When Project Open Letter did draw attention to problems and got a response, not a word out of him. Again, Robin and Cory responded with a rushed town hall to shut people up, and Philip never ever bothered with any kind of reply.

As the head of LL, ultimately the problems are his responsibility to answer for, and he has done a ridiculously inadequate job of doing so. He is a visionary and I will always be grateful in that regard for SL, but as LL has grown, he is no longer right to lead the company forward. He has thrown all of us under a bus in one way or another time and again as thanks for our loyalty and commitment to SL, which really is less about being totally dedicated to SL anymore but that no viable competition yet exists.

I agree. I don't think he realizes what a PR mistake it is for him not to be visible, like he was in the Town Halls. (Which were a TERRIFIC thing.)

I can't understand this, because with his charisma and charm, he really SHOULD be out there with us.

I think maybe he has started saving it all for the "real" people; i.e., corporations, politicians, or anyone not regular residents.

coco

Lordfly Digeridoo · 03-05-2008, 03:22 PM

He isn't charismatic in text. He types at like 10 words per minute. He's admitted as such.

Thus, he'd have to do another voice town hall, which I imagine is a bitch to set up.

And what would it solve? Nothing. "We hear you, we're fixing it, and by the way, let's talk about bananas"

He doesn't code, he doesn't manage. He just does CEO stuff.

**Cristiano** · 03-05-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

He isn't charismatic in text. He types at like 10 words per minute. He's admitted as such.

Thus, he'd have to do another voice town hall, which I imagine is a bitch to set up.

And what would it solve? Nothing. "We hear you, we're fixing it, and by the way, let's talk about bananas"

He doesn't code, he doesn't manage. He just does CEO stuff.

Why you remain an apologist for him is beyond me.

Joshua Nightshade · 03-05-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

He isn't charismatic in text. He types at like 10 words per minute. He's admitted as such.

Thus, he'd have to do another voice town hall, which I imagine is a bitch to set up.

And what would it solve? Nothing. "We hear you, we're fixing it, and by the way, let's talk about bananas"

He doesn't code, he doesn't manage. He just does CEO stuff.

He doesn't do anything, that's the point.

Regardless of what you feel he's the front person and the face of the company he's run into the ground and ditched because he got bored.

**Cristiano** · 03-05-2008, 03:43 PM

Well mystery solved as to why the change happened, at least:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-474

Apparently, LL removed some functionality from their web based interactive map that some sites use, which broke their ability to show where on a map a postcard was coming from. (Breaking change # 1 with no warning). In response, Koz Farina who has some kind of in world blogging tool that relied on that functionality, requested that the information be added to the postcards that they could no longer get from the map.

Instead of adding another comment section to contain the new information, LL decided to just replace the existing one that has been constant FOR THREE YEARS and was added to the postcards at my request initially. (Breaking change # 2 with no warning). In other words, to accomodate their first breaking change, they made another breaking change.

Yoz Linden also included this wonderful statement:

"At present, the postcard format continues to be NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED. In other words, we make no guarantees about all postcards being in this format, nor about the format never changing. If you write code that parses SL postcards, please bear this in mind with regard to the assumptions your code makes, and the way it handles parsing failures. "

The thing is, this ultimately isn't even about the change. Change happens, and I can adapt. What is so annoying is the lack of any kind of communication about it. Why have the freaking blog if they aren't going to use it? Snapzilla is not the only site that uses postcards by any means. Developers supporting Second Life deserve better than this.

Cocoanut Koala · 03-05-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

He doesn't do anything, that's the point.

Regardless of what you feel he's the front person and the face of the company he's run into the ground and ditched because he got bored.

I really, really do feel that is it. He just got bored.

coco

FlipperPA Peregrine · 03-05-2008, 04:35 PM

The problem is, he's not the only one who's gotten bored. Apathy breeds apathy.

Lordfly Digeridoo · 03-05-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

Why you remain an apologist for him is beyond me.

How is this being apologetic?

Do you really expect anyone from LL to address "the community" over anything meaningful anymore? What is the community?

Ordinal Malaprop · 03-05-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

Well mystery solved as to why the change happened, at least:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-474

Apparently, LL removed some functionality from their web based interactive map that some sites use, which broke their ability to show where on a map a postcard was coming from. (Breaking change # 1 with no warning). In response, Koz Farina who has some kind of in world blogging tool that relied on that functionality, requested that the information be added to the postcards that they could no longer get from the map.

Instead of adding another comment section to contain the new information, LL decided to just replace the existing one that has been constant FOR THREE YEARS and was added to the postcards at my request initially. (Breaking change # 2 with no warning). In other words, to accomodate their first breaking change, they made another breaking change.

Yoz Linden also included this wonderful statement:

"At present, the postcard format continues to be NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED. In other words, we make no guarantees about all postcards being in this format, nor about the format never changing. If you write code that parses SL postcards, please bear this in mind with regard to the assumptions your code makes, and the way it handles parsing failures. "

The thing is, this ultimately isn't even about the change. Change happens, and I can adapt. What is so annoying is the lack of any kind of communication about it. Why have the freaking blog if they aren't going to use it? Snapzilla is not the only site that uses postcards by any means. Developers supporting Second Life deserve better than this.

That is a disgraceful comment for Yoz to have left. I have left my own.

Ordinal Malaprop · 03-05-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

Do you really expect anyone from LL to address "the community" over anything meaningful anymore? What is the community?

I expect... well, I think they should inform the world at large when they are changing something serious. It isn't hard. Every decent software company in the world seems to manage to document things when they change their APIs.

Actually this has gotten a lot better over the last year, but this sort of thing is a step back in time (and not in a good way). Back to "oh yeah we changed that, yes, we might change it again, don't know, don't rely on it anyway, hey it's boring to do documentation amiright??? lol"

*frowns*

Malachi · 03-05-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ordinal Malaprop

That is a disgraceful comment for Yoz to have left. I have left my own.

Not knowing how their internal processy thing works, do you think it likely that Yoz will even see additional comments for a bug in resolved state? I'm guessing they generally filter out bugs in that state.

Joshua Nightshade · 03-05-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi

Not knowing how their internal processy thing works, do you think it likely that Yoz will even see additional comments for a bug in resolved state? I'm guessing they generally filter out bugs in that state.

I agree with you which was why I suggested Cris also contact that Linden directly.

Ordinal Malaprop · 03-05-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi

Not knowing how their internal processy thing works, do you think it likely that Yoz will even see additional comments for a bug in resolved state? I'm guessing they generally filter out bugs in that state.

I am not sure, but he saw my Tweet about it, and is apparently going to add further comments.

**Cristiano** · 03-05-2008, 09:34 PM

As frustrating as this all has been, I have to give Yoz Linden credit. They took responsibility for the mistake, apologized, and said they will do what they can to prevent it from happening in the future. Since what happened cannot be undone, having it acknowledged and hopefully prevented in the future is a satisfactory outcome.

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Cristiano Hive Mind Director forum overlord Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 10,786 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 4 SL Join Date: Dec 2002 Business: ANOmations Blog Entries: 16 XBOX Leaderboard: 22^nd	Well mystery solved as to why the change happened, at least: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-474 Apparently, LL removed some functionality from their web based interactive map that some sites use, which broke their ability to show where on a map a postcard was coming from. (Breaking change # 1 with no warning). In response, Koz Farina who has some kind of in world blogging tool that relied on that functionality, requested that the information be added to the postcards that they could no longer get from the map. Instead of adding another comment section to contain the new information, LL decided to just replace the existing one that has been constant FOR THREE YEARS and was added to the postcards at my request initially. (Breaking change # 2 with no warning). In other words, to accomodate their first breaking change, they made another breaking change. Yoz Linden also included this wonderful statement: "At present, the postcard format continues to be NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED. In other words, we make no guarantees about all postcards being in this format, nor about the format never changing. If you write code that parses SL postcards, please bear this in mind with regard to the assumptions your code makes, and the way it handles parsing failures. " The thing is, this ultimately isn't even about the change. Change happens, and I can adapt. What is so annoying is the lack of any kind of communication about it. Why have the freaking blog if they aren't going to use it? Snapzilla is not the only site that uses postcards by any means. Developers supporting Second Life deserve better than this.

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Cristiano Hive Mind Director forum overlord Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 10,786 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 4 SL Join Date: Dec 2002 Business: ANOmations Blog Entries: 16 XBOX Leaderboard: 22^nd	As frustrating as this all has been, I have to give Yoz Linden credit. They took responsibility for the mistake, apologized, and said they will do what they can to prevent it from happening in the future. Since what happened cannot be undone, having it acknowledged and hopefully prevented in the future is a satisfactory outcome.

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