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melponeme_k · 08-19-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielRavenNest

Hair and cloth are similar level graphics. Nvidia had realistic hair working in their 400 series GPUs (two generations ago). Having it work in a busy scene rather than by itself like this demo won't take long:

Nvidia GeForce GTX 400 Hair Tesselation Demo - YouTube

That looks like horse hair that has gone bad. In fact horse hair would look more beautiful than whatever that is supposed to be showcased in the video.

Adeon Writer · 08-19-2012, 12:18 PM

One disclaimer demos like that have is "we are programmers, not artists" it's showing off the tech, not always in the most beautiful way it could be tweaked.

Leah Mayo · 08-19-2012, 12:36 PM

Yes, the movements of the avatar are made to show off the physical behaviour of cloth and hair when moved.
With more natural (and smoother) movement the physics of hair and cloth would be less noticeable.

Myf · 08-19-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by melponeme_k

That is the ugliest avatar I've ever seen. The movements are wrong, everything is wrong about it. The only thing that looks remotely normal is the clothing.

And people wonder why many avatars cause disgust in the non-gaming audience?

The point, you have missed it.

It's not a game demo, aimed at interesting people in play an MMO. It's a tech demo; aimed at showing off the capabilities of a rendering engine, specifically in the areas of hair and cloth movement. The avatar in this demo is effectively a maniquin. It's entire purpose is to provide something that programmers can drape some hair and cloth over, before shaking it about and showing off how it moves.

The actual figure is the least interesting, least important element in the demo. The stairs in the second part are literally of more relevance and play a more important role, than the figure traversing them.

DanielRavenNest · 08-19-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by melponeme_k

That looks like horse hair that has gone bad. In fact horse hair would look more beautiful than whatever that is supposed to be showcased in the video.

If you can do better, go right ahead. Nvidia are graphics chip designers, not artists. Tech demos are intended to show the capability of the technology, not make pretty things.

Maggiedoll Alter · 08-21-2012, 08:25 AM

Does anybody know about that inset-extrude add-on in that scifi panel tutorial? I went to download it, it has an invalid security certificate, which blender.org says is expected (??) and even if I (unintelligently?) make a security exception.. I end up at a 404 error.

**Joshua Nightshade** · 08-21-2012, 08:26 AM

Upgrade to the latest version of blender, functionality like that is built-in now. The old addon hasn't been updated in ages.

KT Kingsley · 08-21-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Maggiedoll Alter

Does anybody know about that inset-extrude add-on in that scifi panel tutorial? I went to download it, it has an invalid security certificate, which blender.org says is expected (??) and even if I (unintelligently?) make a security exception.. I end up at a 404 error.

Apparently…

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Note: this tutorial and add-on are no longer relavant as it does not work with BMesh. Blender 2.63+ now includes an inset tool by default, watch the overview here:

Overview of Blender 2.63 | Blender Cookie

I haven't, however, yet found the inset tool in Blender. I'm sure it is there, but finding stuff like that really isn't intuitive.

ETA: Oh yes I have: Mesh > Faces (Ctrl + F) > Inset Faces (I). The inset tool settings appear under the toollbar on the left.

Maggiedoll Alter · 08-21-2012, 09:41 AM

Does anybody else go batshit watching videos like this, trying to manipulate the scene in the video?

I keep trying to zoom and turn and adjust what's on his screen!

(BTW, video works in Chrome. Still dunno why it doesn't work in Firefox.)

AshaSekayi Ra · 08-21-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Maggiedoll Alter

Does anybody know about that inset-extrude add-on in that scifi panel tutorial? I went to download it, it has an invalid security certificate, which blender.org says is expected (??) and even if I (unintelligently?) make a security exception.. I end up at a 404 error.

If you go download Blender 2.64 testbuild, you can hit the hotkey I while in Edit mode to activate an interactive inset faces command. It doesn't work exactly like the old plugin, but it is close. Make sure to look in the Toolshelf (Hotkey T) for the extra parameters.

If you prefer to stick with Blender 2.63 official, use the hotkey W -> Inset Faces while in Edit mode. It isn't interactive in this version. So, you'll have to control the parameters completely from the Toolshelf.

Lordfly Digeridoo · 08-21-2012, 05:50 PM

I wish I understood any of this anymore :/ Photography by contrast is a much easier hobby.

Darien Caldwell · 09-14-2012, 10:01 PM

I see OZ updated the wiki with some Work in Progress Particulars.

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Material_Data

Be sure to have your say in the thread:

Normal & Specular Maps - Page 4 - Second Life

Sid Nagy · 09-15-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Darien Caldwell

Normal & Specular Maps - Page 4 - Second Life

Do you honestly think I will go over there?

Chip Midnight · 09-15-2012, 01:19 PM

Are materials in a beta build anywhere?

Darien Caldwell · 09-15-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chip Midnight

Are materials in a beta build anywhere?

I'm sure Geenz Spad has a beta build.

But as far as a publicly available one, I don't think they are at that stage yet.

bubblesort · 09-17-2012, 05:21 AM

Is there any chance that we could get materials in our avatar clothing layers when this goes into effect?

**Void** · 09-17-2012, 05:56 AM

No =(

should be available for meshies though.

AshaSekayi Ra · 09-17-2012, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bubblesort

Is there any chance that we could get materials in our avatar clothing layers when this goes into effect?

Nope.

LINK: Materials Coming Soon

Lexbot Sinister · 09-17-2012, 05:05 PM

It's just texturing, right? So it would go on regular prims aswell?

Aribeth Zelin · 09-17-2012, 05:29 PM

In theory, yes it should work on normal prims too.

AshaSekayi Ra · 09-17-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lexbot Sinister

It's just texturing, right? So it would go on regular prims aswell?

Yes, Oz and Geenz stated at the user group that the materials system will work on prims and mesh, just not the avatar body/clothing layers.

Leah Mayo · 09-18-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AshaSekayi Ra

... the materials system will work on prims and mesh, just not the avatar body/clothing layers.

Probably because each clothing layer is already a material on the avatar mesh.

Qie Niangao · 09-18-2012, 08:49 AM

Seems to me that if avatar layers got normalmaps, the increased detail could breathe new life into this horrid old mesh.

The longer that's delayed, the more market for total replacement meshes for human avatars. Or (what I've seen) replacing all but hands and head.

But a normalmapped face... that might be so irresistible that we'd willingly sacrifice expressions.

No matter the timing, the future is challenging for conventional skin makers.

Adeon Writer · 09-18-2012, 09:03 AM

Do people really use base expressions anyway? They're so exagerated.

Either way once we get custom armatures [someday] the default mesh is doomed anyway, I'm fine with ditching it sooner than later, once rigged meshes get all their sliders.

Qie Niangao · 09-18-2012, 10:31 AM

True; the expressions are pretty dreadful. So yeah, once we get facial slider control, that's probably the end of the system head. (Too bad for ballgag manufacturers, I guess.

) Hand positions are pretty screwed-up, too, but there's way too much that depends on those working.

In any case, now would be a bad time to buy a skin. Or avatar-layer clothing. Among other things.

Hence the hamster craze, I guess.

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08-19-2012, 12:18 PM	#102 (permalink)
Adeon Writer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,102	One disclaimer demos like that have is "we are programmers, not artists" it's showing off the tech, not always in the most beautiful way it could be tweaked.

08-19-2012, 12:36 PM	#103 (permalink)
Leah Mayo slurker got a new broom Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 524 My Mood: Client: Cool VL Viewer, Singularity	Yes, the movements of the avatar are made to show off the physical behaviour of cloth and hair when moved. With more natural (and smoother) movement the physics of hair and cloth would be less noticeable.

08-21-2012, 08:25 AM	#106 (permalink)
Maggiedoll Alter Pedantic Geek Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,826 My Mood: SL Join Date: 1/30/2008 Business: Perception	Does anybody know about that inset-extrude add-on in that scifi panel tutorial? I went to download it, it has an invalid security certificate, which blender.org says is expected (??) and even if I (unintelligently?) make a security exception.. I end up at a 404 error.

08-21-2012, 09:41 AM	#109 (permalink)
Maggiedoll Alter Pedantic Geek Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,826 My Mood: SL Join Date: 1/30/2008 Business: Perception	Does anybody else go batshit watching videos like this, trying to manipulate the scene in the video? I keep trying to zoom and turn and adjust what's on his screen! (BTW, video works in Chrome. Still dunno why it doesn't work in Firefox.)

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Chip Midnight That template guy Meshing Around Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,242 My Mood: Business: CMFF	Are materials in a beta build anywhere?

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bubblesort Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,213 SL Join Date: Jan 2007	Is there any chance that we could get materials in our avatar clothing layers when this goes into effect?

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Lexbot Sinister Senior Member Sigh Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 469 My Mood:	It's just texturing, right? So it would go on regular prims aswell?

09-18-2012, 08:49 AM	#123 (permalink)
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,294	Seems to me that if avatar layers got normalmaps, the increased detail could breathe new life into this horrid old mesh. The longer that's delayed, the more market for total replacement meshes for human avatars. Or (what I've seen) replacing all but hands and head. But a normalmapped face... that might be so irresistible that we'd willingly sacrifice expressions. No matter the timing, the future is challenging for conventional skin makers.

09-18-2012, 09:03 AM	#124 (permalink)
Adeon Writer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,102	Do people really use base expressions anyway? They're so exagerated. Either way once we get custom armatures [someday] the default mesh is doomed anyway, I'm fine with ditching it sooner than later, once rigged meshes get all their sliders.

09-18-2012, 10:31 AM	#125 (permalink)
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,294	True; the expressions are pretty dreadful. So yeah, once we get facial slider control, that's probably the end of the system head. (Too bad for ballgag manufacturers, I guess. ) Hand positions are pretty screwed-up, too, but there's way too much that depends on those working. In any case, now would be a bad time to buy a skin. Or avatar-layer clothing. Among other things. Hence the hamster craze, I guess.

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