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Ten · 02-26-2008, 01:00 AM

Forgive me for posting links and excerpts, but I'm exhausted and I don't want to redo the entire thing once again.

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You know, being a part of the fashion community in SL has always appeared clique-ish to the most timid of people, even if that isn’t the truth. New designers had to have some sort of balls to bother to drop review copies and make friends, but now…

Theft?

Harassment?

It’s enough to make any person trying to break into SL content creation turn tail and run for the hills.

Laynie Link was pushed up against a wall this week when she released a few dresses, sales were to be donated to Autism Speaks - a research group regarding autism. An avatar (who Laynie didn’t know at the time) named Lalinda Lovell began spamming groups, saying “Don’t support it!” linking people to the aforementioned Wiki page, and justifying her actions further by hacking Second Life and taking Laynie’s creations and passing them around for free. “Here guys, you won’t have to buy this - I just ripped it, have it for free! Boycott Layniewear!”

What a cruel thing to do, especially to someone as kindhearted as Laynie.

[16:07] Tenshi Vielle: So, wtf - what exactly was it that made this girl attack you?
[16:07] Tenshi Vielle: And has she spoke with you about WHY she chose to steal your designs?
[16:07] Laynie Link: yea… teagan got an IM that someone was protesting at our new shop
[16:07] Laynie Link: she was too lagged to move, so i went
[16:07] Laynie Link: we’re sort of interchangable, you know?
[16:08] Laynie Link: and this avatar immediately confronted me, saying, “Do you support this genocidal organization?”
[16:08] Laynie Link: turns out she was furious that we have the autism speaks kiosk up
[16:08] Laynie Link: and was demanding teagan and i take it down
[16:09] Laynie Link: i tried to talk to her, get her to tell me WHY she was so against the organization
[16:09] Laynie Link: and she repeatedly said “read wikipedia”
[16:09] Laynie Link: she said that AS is evil because they force women to have abortions
[16:09] Laynie Link: and that they fund research, which is evil
[16:09] Tenshi Vielle: Genocidal? Can she back that up?
[16:09] Laynie Link: i said, “Umm, research is not evil”
[16:09] Laynie Link: nope
[16:09] Laynie Link: she kept sending me to wikipedia
[16:10] Laynie Link: when i said that, she said, “It is so! Nazis did research, you can’t tell me it’s not evil!”
[16:10] Laynie Link: i kept asking for sources, any sources, she kept sending me to wikipedia
[16:10] Tenshi Vielle: Wikipedia??
[16:10] Laynie Link: and finally, she said she was going to boycott my shop
[16:10] Laynie Link: i explained that wikipedia isn’t a valid source because anyone can edit pages
[16:10] Laynie Link: and she said no, they can’t
[16:10] Tenshi Vielle: Yes they can.
[16:10] Tenshi Vielle: That’s how Wikipedia works.
[16:10] Laynie Link: she didn’t give me a specific link
[16:10] Laynie Link: she said “Read wikipedia”
[16:11] Laynie Link: over
[16:11] Laynie Link: and over
[16:11] Laynie Link: and over
[16:11] Laynie Link: so, she says she’s going to boycott me
[16:11] Laynie Link: teagan and i have researched our asses off, and all we can find are some conspiracy theory forums
[16:11] Tenshi Vielle: Um, it’s sponsored by GE.
[16:11] Laynie Link: now, i understand that some people are angry, because they feel it’s going to lead to abortions
[16:11] Tenshi Vielle: GE is soooo kind and friendly. They’re a great company, very environmentally and family focused.
[16:12] Laynie Link: that once people can test in the womb, autistic fetuses will be aborted
[16:12] Laynie Link: but that’s not what she was saying
[16:12] Laynie Link: so, the next morning i logged on to find that she’d ripped a copy of my vanessa dress
[16:13] Laynie Link: i was furious
[16:13] Laynie Link: ARd her
[16:13] Laynie Link: put the dress out for free
[16:13] Laynie Link: and suddenly the world exploded
[16:13] Laynie Link:

[16:13] Tenshi Vielle: Exploded?
[16:13] Laynie Link: yea
[16:13] Laynie Link: traffic at our store went from 400 to 5000
[16:14] Tenshi Vielle: Wow.
[16:14] Laynie Link: donations in the kiosk went from $120 to almost $20,000
[16:14] Laynie Link: i’ve been contacted by autistic people, designers, people all over the world
[16:14] Laynie Link: even people from “Autism Speaks Doesn’t Speak for Me” said that her actions were inexcusable
[16:15] Tenshi Vielle: $20,000L?
[16:15] Laynie Link: yes
[16:15] Tenshi Vielle: Wow!
[16:15] Laynie Link: we’re at 19026 right now
[16:16] Tenshi Vielle: That’s great.
[16:16] Laynie Link: i know

[16:16] Tenshi Vielle: Did LL ever contact you back regarding the AR’s?
[16:16] Laynie Link: not yet
[16:16] Laynie Link: big surprise, right?
[16:16] Tenshi Vielle: Not really.
[16:17] Laynie Link: but i feel wonderful… this has been covered in english, spanish, german, japanese
[16:17] Laynie Link: it’s gotten the word out about content theft
[16:17] Tenshi Vielle: We’ve been talking about it recently and it seems LL is just absolutely down and out in regards to things
[16:17] Laynie Link: yes
[16:18] Tenshi Vielle: I tried to email Robin Linden about it recently- 1) she didn’t know what was going on, and 2) after I informed her with links, she hasn’t emailed back
[16:19] Laynie Link: nice
[16:20] Tenshi Vielle: Yeah, I was rather disappointed to say the least.

If it isn’t new players without an ounce of creativity looking to make a quick buck in SL, now stealing a person’s items has become par for the course - a justification, if you will, of a boycott.

Laynie is also participating in a big-time interview tomorrow to bring further awareness to this subject, content theft, and the lack of action by Linden Lab. I will be in attendance, and I will also update SCD with more information after the interview.

***Addition*** Just a little piece of trivia or gossip, what have you. I remembered the name “Lalinda Lovell” for some reason, and went Googling. Turns out she’s the same woman who had a few child/sexual ageplay areas in Fall 2007. Apparently she has Aspergers (a form of Autism) and that makes everything she’s ever done, including the sexual child ageplay areas, just fine and dandy.

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Ten · 02-26-2008, 01:01 AM

Does “Autism Does Not Speak For Me” know who’s backing them? Do they care? Lalinda Lovell, Anti-Autism Speaks Advocate and Child Porn Profiter, Extraordinaire.

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Io Zeno · 02-26-2008, 01:05 AM

I swear to God, only in SL.

Io Zeno · 02-26-2008, 01:17 AM

Well, the good thing is this backfired in the best way and she made a ton of cash for the charity and traffic to the store, lol.

mcgeeb Gupte · 02-26-2008, 01:43 AM

Wow thats crazy. Glad the donations still pulled in 20,000L. If she had such a problem with the donation box, just boycott the store and leave.

Joshua Nightshade · 02-26-2008, 01:47 AM

Okay so the child sex thing actually has nothing to do with this story except to attack the crazy lady. Got it.

Joshua Nightshade · 02-26-2008, 01:49 AM

Also who in SL doesn't have Assburgers? You can't swing a stick without hitting someone who's conveniently autistic.

Not to be confused with Aspergers, Assburgers is the SL variant of the illness recently discovered circa 2004 and its awareness championed by watermelon aficionados worldwide.

Io Zeno · 02-26-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Okay so the child sex thing actually has nothing to do with this story except to attack the crazy lady. Got it.

I think this falls under, people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing around stones...

Maybe she is so against abortion because she just loves kids so darned much.

Siyu Suen · 02-26-2008, 01:54 AM

Assburgers... is that like A-D-FAKE-D? That thing everyone who went to high school from the late nineties 'till now claims to take Ritalin for?

Joshua Nightshade · 02-26-2008, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

I think this falls under, people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing around stones...

Maybe she is so against abortion because she just loves kids so darned much.

Maybe but when I read it I thought it was just a petty "character assassinating" detail to add that had nothing to do with the story.

She did a good job of coming off insane as it stands but when I read that I felt compelled to point out the lack of journalistic integrity instead of rallying behind the "fuck the crazy bitch" team.

It's like reading an article about a guy who robbed a bank and then the last sentence is "When he was seven he wet the bed."

Joshua Nightshade · 02-26-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Siyu Suen

Assburgers... is that like A-D-FAKE-D? That thing everyone who went to high school from the late nineties 'till now claims to take Ritalin for?

Prevalence is hard to come by but I think I remember reading on average worldwide it's like .26 per 1000 people.

It would appear they're all in SL by the looks of it.

Io Zeno · 02-26-2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Maybe but when I read it I thought it was just a petty "character assassinating" detail to add that had nothing to do with the story.

She did a good job of coming off insane as it stands but when I read that I felt compelled to point out the lack of journalistic integrity instead of rallying behind the "fuck the crazy bitch" team.

It's like reading an article about a guy who robbed a bank and then the last sentence is "When he was seven he wet the bed."

I think she had it coming based on what she did.

Especially since what she was doing was pretty.... well like I said, who the fuck is she to pull this shit, to judge anyone?

She should start a new group: Pro-Life Pedos.

I'm here all week, folks!

Joshua Nightshade · 02-26-2008, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

I think she had it coming based on what she did.

Especially since what she was doing was pretty.... well like I said, who the fuck is she to pull this shit, to judge anyone?

She should start a new group: Pro-Life Pedos.

I'm here all week, folks!

Well to be fair now, it would appear that she did this to stick it to someone supporting an organization that she is misinformed about. I'm not condoning it but it doesn't seem like she stole anything to rip off the content creator but to protest their support of an organization she apparently thinks is equatable to Nazis.

It was certainly shitty and with any luck someone patient will read this article and take the time to explain to her that she doesn't understand what group she's protesting, resulting in her feeling embarrassed and like shit for what she did and getting her to apologize.

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Originally Posted by Ten

***Addition*** Just a little piece of trivia or gossip, what have you. I remembered the name “Lalinda Lovell” for some reason, and went Googling. Turns out she’s the same woman who had a few child/sexual ageplay areas in Fall 2007. Apparently she has Aspergers (a form of Autism) and that makes everything she’s ever done, including the sexual child ageplay areas, just fine and dandy.

Oh well.

Io Zeno · 02-26-2008, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Well to be fair now, it would appear that she did this to stick it to someone supporting an organization that she is misinformed about. I'm not condoning it but it doesn't seem like she stole anything to rip off the content creator but to protest their support of an organization she apparently thinks is equatable to Nazis.

It was certainly shitty and with any luck someone patient will read this article and take the time to explain to her that she doesn't understand what group she's protesting, resulting in her feeling embarrassed and like shit for what she did and getting her to apologize.

Oh well.

She doesn't seem like someone capable of listening to reason. Reasonable people don't act like this.

And how would you like it if someone didn't like your charity drive so they ripped off one of your avatars and passed it around?

You would be all over them like white on rice. DON'T LIE TO ME.

Joshua Nightshade · 02-26-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

She doesn't seem like someone capable of listening to reason. Reasonable people don't act like this.

And how would you like it if someone didn't like your charity drive so they ripped off one of your avatars and passed it around?

You would be all over them like white on rice. DON'T LIE TO ME.

That would be the response of the old Joshua.

The new and improved Joshua spent his evening saying things like "wikkle wookie poodle puppy" to an Australian and made his cats sick in the process.

Joshua Nightshade · 02-26-2008, 02:11 AM

Actually I would be pissed but it is what it is. Prokofy was actually calling for boycotts to my charity thing.

She also griefed a domestic violence display because the creator is a RL friend of mine.

Io Zeno · 02-26-2008, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

That would be the response of the old Joshua.

The new and improved Joshua spent his evening saying things like "wikkle wookie poodle puppy" to an Australian and made his cats sick in the process.

Awwww.....

/checks her watch to time how long this will last

Joshua Nightshade · 02-26-2008, 02:12 AM

Siyu Suen · 02-26-2008, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Actually I would be pissed but it is what it is. Prokofy was actually calling for boycotts to my charity thing.

She also griefed a domestic violence display because the creator is a RL friend of mine.

Ooooo now THAT is status you can't buy!

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Ten Baby FIC WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 6,233 SL Join Date: 10/7/2006 My Mood: Awards: 1	Does “Autism Does Not Speak For Me” know who’s backing them? Do they care? Lalinda Lovell, Anti-Autism Speaks Advocate and Child Porn Profiter, Extraordinaire. LaynieWear Attack, PII: Lalinda Lovell, Pervert Perfected « Shopping Cart Disco

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Io Zeno MAD DOG Rabid Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 12,334 My Mood: Awards: 1	I swear to God, only in SL.

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Io Zeno MAD DOG Rabid Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 12,334 My Mood: Awards: 1	Well, the good thing is this backfired in the best way and she made a ton of cash for the charity and traffic to the store, lol.

02-26-2008, 01:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	Okay so the child sex thing actually has nothing to do with this story except to attack the crazy lady. Got it.

02-26-2008, 01:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	Also who in SL doesn't have Assburgers? You can't swing a stick without hitting someone who's conveniently autistic. Not to be confused with Aspergers, Assburgers is the SL variant of the illness recently discovered circa 2004 and its awareness championed by watermelon aficionados worldwide.

02-26-2008, 02:11 AM	#16 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	Actually I would be pissed but it is what it is. Prokofy was actually calling for boycotts to my charity thing. She also griefed a domestic violence display because the creator is a RL friend of mine.