Joshua Nightshade

Okay then, but I have it on good authority that using a temporary female avatar will eventually condition you into thinking it's okay to roleplay as a female in SL and then it's just a short skip to Bye Bye lil'Richie!

Ten

You OBVIOUSLY don't know any horny teenagers.

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Joshua Nightshade

Now this is something different.

Horny teenagers know what they're getting into.

I thought we were talking about children who were being preyed on by pedophiles.

Ten

THAT DOESNT MAKE IT LEGAL FOR THEM TO BE DOING IT JOSH.

They're still children via legal system, and still children in terms of development most times.

As soon as the kid decides suddenly that underage sex isn't cool, that his ass hurts from being raped so hard because he met the guy at a local hotel and tells his mother... boom. Guy suddenly finds himself on America's Most Wanted with a gigantic warrant.

There's two sides to this thing, and you can't just say it's okay - because it's really not.

Joshua Nightshade

Okay so we went from "Pedophiles are invading SL and fucking innocent children" to you trying to pull every random scenario out that you can to justify what was simply drama mongering.

The above post is irrelevant, Ten.

Second Life is a game for adults. Ageplay is an activity between two adults. If one of the adults discovers that they're talking to a legitimate child, that is no longer ageplay, and that is illegal.

Ageplay is not.

Understand here?

So it's not really up to the rest of the grid to verify the ages of the rest of the grid. Provided the participants believe each other to be adults, and engage in consensual activity with someone they understand to be an adult, they aren't breaking any laws. The moment this changes and one discovers the other is underage, continuing to discuss sexual content with a kid is a crime.

Your ancillary hypothetical doomsday scenarios have no point.

Ten

Second Life is a game for adults. Kids still sign up for the game thinking it's fun. Teenage boys (and sometimes girls) sign up to play the game because they heard you can have sex with cartoon characters. What they don't think of is, there are real people with real thoughts and occasionally predatory urges behind those. There's a very good chance those cartoon interactions to lead to real life meetups and a child feeling violated.

Not to mention that playing at child rape facilitates the action in the minds of those who are weaker and might just end up thinking it's okay to do in RL, too.

YOUR excuse arguments are weak at best.

Understand?

Joshua Nightshade

My arguments are fine. Your visceral reactions are what's weak.

Richie Waves

Psychology Today states that one of the signs of a pedophile is:
“Recurrent, intense sexual fantasies, urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 13 years or younger) for a period of at least 6 months.”
-http://psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia.h tml

Thought that needed some bolding

Joshua Nightshade

Your opinion rests on the crux of a list of statements that have little relationship to one another, are huge stereotypes, and have yet to be demonstrated:

That only pedophiles are interested in ageplay.

That someone interested in ageplay wants to take it into RL.

That anywhere in this children are involved or in danger.

That ageplay turns someone into a pedophile.

Somewhere in between you've sandwiched every hysterical hissyfit hypothetical you can manage to trump this up and go for the emotional manipulation win. I also rather doubt you've ever bothered to ask Lalinda why she is interested in ageplaying as well. Though I'm sure she'd be happy to give you an expose if your first question is "Why does a disgusting person like you think it's okay to rape children?" But what it comes down to is three truths:

1) Ageplay is between adults.

2) If someone is going to molest a kid, they're going to be "conditioned" in that direction whether they play it out in SL or not. The average person will not begin ageplaying and by the end of a month turn into a frothing, raving pedophile.

3) None of this has anything to do with this chick stealing the autism girl's clothes.

And with that I'm pretty much done because this subject has been hashed and rehashed and hashed over again way too many times, and we're not going to change each others' minds.

Ten

Yup that's about it, Josh. Glad you were able to Cliffnotes my arguments. Thanks!

Vivianne Draper

it creeps me out too. hell adults playing child avies at ALL for ANY reason creeps me out. I think any adult who does so for whatever reason is a sick fuck who needs to get help -- how about that? But I don't waste my time trying to impose my ideals and feelings about stuff like this on other people. Somehow I don't feel that the rest of the world has to conform to my idea of what is right and wrong. I also think consenting adults have the right to do whatever they want as long as they are not hurting other people. That it squibbs me or you out isn't (or shouldn't be) something that is in any way germaine to their actions or lack thereof.

But hey if we all get to impose our personal standards of right and wrong on the rest of society -- then I say no child avies at all and anyone who plays one -- age play or not -- should be banned. I say anyone who brings up "OMG WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN" better be helping real children that need real help in real life. I think anyone who bitches about bling should be stuck in a room with 30 people wearing Alienbear Gupte's jewelry. I think anyone who makes fun of other people's appearances ought to be banned from the web and from SL. I think the SL team should be locked in a room and forced to use their own product on a computer with an PCI video card with 512mb of memory and 1 ghz processor 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year until the product is fixed and works correctly. I think people who use those ridiculous woot gestures with a lot of ascii should be locked on a sim with 39 other people who also use them forever more. I think prim babies, talking wombs, talking genitals and talking hair should be banned and anyone who gets virtually pregnant should be forced to seek psychiatric help.

I think a lot of other things but we'll stop here. Fortunately for everyone but me, the world doesn't have to conform to my sensibilities. It shouldn't have to conform to yours either. Just cause it creeps you out is no reason to stop behavior between two consenting adults.

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Liona Clio

*sigh*

Okay, observations:

Josh is not avocating the rights of child molesters.

Ten, you had a very strong argument against this Lalinda Lovell person without having to bring up the child sex bit. I don't need ageplay to be enraged at someone's SL actions. I'd drop that entire section of the arguement...for the sake of everyone's blood pressure.

And Josh...you have the option not to post. Most threads are retired when people stop posting in them...Don't react, and whatever's gotten the burr in your bum will pass.

The above advice has been posted so many times to so many different people...I wonder when anyone will ever follow it. Bleah, bad mood.

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Ingrid N

The only things I have specifically said in this thread were:

RL ageplay doesn't bother me, SL ageplay does.

If you masturbate to the image of a computerized child being fucked by you yes I will consider you to have pedophilic tendencies

I'm glad that someone who fantasizes about having sex with little girls does not in fact have custody of his own child.

As for the ageplay banning issue, I'm torn. Yes, it absolutely disgusts me, and I think it is indicative of a broken personality, but the fact that you can be prosecuted for something you do with a consenting adult, online even, worries me.
However, the prospect of someone who does ageplay in Second Life and then decides to molest a real child worries me as well. And don't say it doesn't ever happen. It might not happen with most people who do ageplay, but having a safety net of friends and fuckbuddies who tell you your urges are A-OK is bound to convince some subhuman that hey, my friends might be right, those kids really do want it and will probably enjoy my sexual attentions. Because if you talk to convicted child molesters, a lot of them will blame the victim for being "flirty" or "asking for it". That state of mind doesn't come from nowhere.

And with that I'm out of this thread

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must....resist....posting....

Cindy Claveau

Yes and no. The chat log already told me this woman is woefully over-emotional, histrionic, arrogant and misinformed. That's bad enough. Toss in the child sex thing and she then becomes a hypocrite as well.

It's not really character assassination if someone walks around with a big target on their back, is it?

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Hiro Queso

I'm in a similar place, Ingrid. I'm an advocate of safe & sane informed consensual play between adults, but I find it very difficult to compose my thoughts on this particular subject.

Travis Lambert

Bah. I can't resist.

I'm torn over ageplay. On the one hand, I completely understand Ingrid's perspective. If someone is whacking off to an image of a child - there's something seriously wrong with that.

However, I see no issues with two adults enaging in consensual humiliation; even if that humiliation entails one of the parties being forced to act like a child, in a humiliating context. Kink may indeed be deviant, but the freedom for two consenting adults to choose to be experimental in their personal sex lives should be something held dear.

Where it gets complicated, is Ageplay (in my opinion) can be okay, or not okay, depending upon the motivation behind it. Considering that its not possible to read people's minds - and the safety of children is paramount, I can understand where some folks have to assume the worst-case scenerio. Just understand that doing so is painting ageplay with a broad brush, and inevitably infringes upon the rights of those who have zero pedophilic motivation whatsoever.

Maybe that's okay, and its for a greater good. Regardless, I just don't see this as a black-or-white issue.

Khamon

/waves to Travis

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Troy Vogel

May I say this title and thread took too long to figure out what the hell is actually going on.

I thought at first that an ageplayer store WAS the sponsor of the Autism event! Now that would have been something to ZOMG about.

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Ingrid N

(okay I lied about being out of this thread. Cut me some slack everyone does it )

See, I get the humiliation aspect, believe me I do, which is why I said that the ageplay thing does not bother me in RL. However, when a partner for all intents and purposes both acts AND looks like a child, then I think something is wrong.

Go ahead and call your dom "daddy" and have him call you babygirl and dress up in frilly dresses (that real kids would never wear ) and pretend to be 5. But when you log in and you make your avatar resemble a child, and have sex with someone who has an adult avatar, that for me crosses the line from humiliation or whatever to something that I find worrying and potentially dangerous.

But as I already said, I'm torn on whether it should be banned, and even more so on whether one should be prosecuted for it.

I will however say that I'm relieved LL decided to disallow it. (which doesn't mean it's gone, obviously.)
Yeah, sometimes I like taking the easy way out, sue me.

Troy Vogel

I am not for child porn, or abuse of children in any shape or form -- as someone that HAD an experience as a child. I am over it, it was no big deal, worse things have happened to me since, so this is not a pitty party for me. Thanks tho.

However, I do not understand this mentality: oh well if they can have child avatars they can dwell on the theme, and then decide to do it for real thing. If a child molester is going to go and take advantage of a child they just do it, they don't get online and spend hours pretending to do it.

It's just like people who always talk about suicide, 99% of the time; They are full of crap. People who mean to end it, really end it, nice and clean without bothering anyone irrevocably (pills + gasoline + gun -- yes I am exaggerating). No one that's in it for real takes a whole bottle of sleeping pills and then calls their girlfriend in panic in a hour.

What I am saying is.... it boggles my mind how we worry so much about some boxos getting on here and playing house when our children are playing with semi automatic gun replicas on the street, playing violent kill-em-all games on their computers. If the same logic is used aren't our children just practicing to become mass killers?

What's wrong here?

ruby tuesday

See, I wasn't going to say anything because child sex roleplay threads make me but I often wonder how many of these cock slabs log off of SL and go molest RL children.

Ugh, I feel sick. Exiting thread now.

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Richie Waves

I'd say very few, though I'd imagine they think about it.