Joshua Nightshade

I'm not going to go out and murder people because I kill a lot of Alliance in WoW.

Iris Seale

I'm not sure I see the connection there. Are you fantasizing about screwing kids while you're killing Alliance? /kidding!

No, my point is that she's been AR'd dozens of times and she didn't get banned. We might as well drag her name through the mud for participating in and encouraging this kinda thing.

Sorry, I just can't get my injustice-hackles up about a pedophile.

Joshua Nightshade

But you can't determine that she's a pedophile because she roleplays having virtual child-esque sex with other consenting adults.

Your argument is that the roleplaying makes more acceptable for them the longer they do it. By that logic there would be rash outbreaks of adults murdering one another uncontrollably between desensitizing violent movies, news, music and video games.

By the time you're an adult, which is what people who roleplay ageplay are, your mental state is pretty firmly locked down. You're not going to do behavior in RL that you roleplay in a video game unless you were already going to do it anyway. What it comes down to it is it's consenting adults roleplaying something that most of us, for good reasons to be sure some of the time, are uncomfortable with. But that doesn't make it reasonable to freak out over it. I have a lot of problems understanding Gor, or BDSM, or a long list of varying other SL social cliques that I nevertheless rarely give a fuck about until it's in my face.

There's no correlation between pedophilia and ageplay. It's convenient logic to ostracize consenting adults doing something we don't like, and I have a problem with that however I feel about ageplay in general.

Siyu Suen

I wasn't going to join in on this, but I have to say I agree with Josh. If a pedophile is a pedophile, and they have that sort of urge, chances are they'd do it with or without SL if they're going to do it at all. It makes my skin crawl, but then again so do genital piercings and auto asphyxiation. Since we're all (supposed to be) over 18 on SL, the two people role playing are adults, rather than what repulses us which is an adult performing sexual acts on a child that doesn't know the impact of them.

I suppose in this case I'm very don't ask, don't tell, and leave me the hell out of it

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Joshua Nightshade

I'm also very hesitant to join in on what amounts to gut-reaction logic. And "save teh childrens!" is the most gut-wrenching of all.

Io Zeno

I knew this would turn into another ageplay argument.

Can we not do this?

Does everyone not remember the 200 page long arguments over this on SC?

It's tangential at best, to Ten's post.

Please, for the autistic unborn.

Joshua Nightshade

I wasn't the one who got banned from Tableau because of that though.

Joshua Nightshade

However it's not tangential, because my whole point was that the ageplay thing had nothing to do with this story and was only thrown in to further cement dislike against her. I'm pushing the point because the ageplay thing is being used to defend why it was thrown out to begin with.

You might as well substitute that with "Well she's Gorean so who cares what she thinks." Which I dislike.

Iris Seale

Right, that's logical if we're talking about people with normal brain chemistry. Of course someone who plays WOW isn't going to lop their neighbor's head off with a giant hammer or something. Normal people can separate fantasy from reality.

Pedophiles can't. Having sex with children wouldn't occur to a normal, healthy adult. It's not a fantasy outlet or a fun virtual distraction. It's something that they've obviously thought about in RL and enjoyed the fantasy of, so they're fulfilling it in SL. How long until that fantasy/reality line breaks and they do it to a real child? If they're already exploring the concept in a virtual reality, the danger is already there.

Joshua Nightshade

But again you're making a big leap from "roleplaying between consensual adults" to crazy or not-normal etc etc etc.

You're also making a big leap by assuming that all pedophiles are non-functioning, frothing at the mouth psychos. If that were the case they wouldn't be so successful finding children to begin with.

Ageplay =/= pedophilia.

Joshua Nightshade

Let's use a different argument then. Is someone who roleplays rape in SL going to eventually rape someone in real life? Anyone who's going to do that was going to do it anyway. SL didn't condition them or make it seem more appropriate.

Io Zeno

Josh, you know damn well ageplay or pedoplay or whatever the fuck they call it now is always going to be different from anything else.

And a lot of people think "with good reason."

And you can all argue till you are blue in the face and no one will really change their minds, I'm just warning you, since you all seem ready to go down that road to HELL.

Joshua Nightshade

But it's only different because of the visceral reaction to teh childrens! being in danger. There is no difference in reality when you ignore that gut impulse to throw away rationality and liberties at the behest of invisible monsters that want to rape babies.

Io Zeno

I've done this and I would say I'm on record about my opinion on it if FIC hadn't wiped the site.

Malachi

Speak for yourself, please. And hammers don't really "lop", better off using an axe for that.

And WoW players have normal brain chemistry? I don't think you understand the examples you are using.

Joshua Nightshade

Malachi be nice to Iris or I will rape you in SL and fantasize about it in RL.

Clancy Sullivan

Great news story posted by Ten, with plenty of drama for effect, but she did a good job as a reporter, didn't she? Yep. You know the crime, the story, and all sorts of juicy details to keep your mind entertained while you read about the justice of the thing.

Now, if only she'd stop trying to teach us to speak Chinese. But, I'm not here to beat up on her for bad taste.

I will take a shot at opportunists in this thread who think ageplay should never have been banned in SL and think that this a yet another opportunity to replay all of the old tapes on that subject.

On second thought, fuck them. No one with a brain is even listening to that shit.

Thanks for the story, Ten. And, love your new jeans, honey, they got glam!

Richie Waves

I see you still have your head up your arse on this issue....

It is banned for a reason Joshua... Pedophiles come to SL, they don't cyber with furrys.

Joshua Nightshade

Incorrect, on all counts, as usual.

Richie Waves

so what.. its not banned for no reason? and Child rape RPing in SL is ok? na'h I would let the jury decide that Josh.. not the kind of thing you can say I'm wrong about

Joshua Nightshade

Here's me, saying you're wrong.

It's banned because the German government flipped out. Digital depictions such as exist in SL are not illegal in the United States. They are in Europe though, and LL was under pressure by the German government to deal with it.

There's little evidence that there are "pedophiles" in SL. The sole investigation by a dubious German journalistic team doesn't amount to much, especially when the "evidence" they uncovered and blindsided Robin Linden with never turned up anywhere else.

Furthermore, the vast majority of underage users in SL don't go looking for adult content. They go to the sandboxes to build and hope they get left alone and not banned. So while I'm sure that there are pedophiles in SL, I doubt there is a higher concentration of them here, where there is a 18+ age requirement, verses games that there isn't.

And ageplay, again, =/= pedophilia. What two consenting adults want to do, and this is the part you fail time and again to understand and grasp, two consenting adults, is between them, however gross I personally think it is.

Or you can continue to let others make your definitions and project yourself as this huge genius that knows everything.

Clancy Sullivan

Hey, argue with me, bitch, you know you want it. Don't manmolest poor Richie, he didn't go to school, had to harvest potato crops and mop the church floor since he was a kid.

Bitch.

Chalice Yao

Amen.

Live and let live. As long as nobody gets hurt by it, it doesn't involve you personally, and you're not forced to see it, it's not your business. The end.

Richie Waves

Briana Dawson

it is suppose to be since no one can protect them except us parents and caring adults.