Misty Harley

I was a bit surprised this morning...I don't know why I was but it was odd seeing HUSH at the Skin Addiction Event, front and center in the main teleport area.

I dunno...I'm not sure I would trust either of them right now (no offense Curio fans!) and purchase a skin let alone allow them to be in an event.

I guess mainly because I look at it as the event is endorsing the skins that are there as legit creators. At this point, we really don't know WHO is the legit creator or what actually happened. I would rather err on the side of caution for this one but that's me (and possibly ONLY me and I get that--I'm weird thinking when it comes to events and these sort of issues)

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Seasoned

I just saw a featured ad on the Marketplace for Hush. As I browse the featured listings a lot and never noticed one for Hush before, let alone ever heard of this brand, I found that a little convenient also. Maybe figuring any publicity is still publicity maybe?

Ann Otoole

friends/alts/family of LL rule.

Aribeth Zelin

It just makes it look more and more suspect to me. Someone mentioned that something similar had happened with the Exodi skins? Does anyone know anything about that beyond a mention?

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Merlynn D

I wondered this myself, I am an addicted skin collector and love to go from skin shop to skin shop collecting demos... I collect the names of skin shops and keep a list I've had since 2006, lol. I've never heard of Hush either, not in any of the "what's the latest greatest skins" epic threads on the SLFlogs, not in blogs, not anywhere. How did I miss what looks to be an established and talented skin designer? Who was Hush before they were Hush?

Arica Storaro

I agree with that, I was a bit surprised as well. The owner of the event always strikes me as a very friendly, reasonable person, so I am a bit confused as well. So far there is no final evidence for either side and I personally wouldn't let either of them participate anywhere until such evidence has been made public. And that's coming from a Curio-fangirl!

Like I said, I used to keep track of every damned skinstore ingame and gave them out to friends for reference, back in the days I even used to list each store on a german SL-forum...yet I never once heard about this place until just a bit ago. They must have been hiding pretty damn well.

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Adora

There was a designer - I think Glam Affair, please don't sue or shoot me if I'm wrong - who sent a notecard out saying something like they were pulling out of the event as they didn't want to be in an event where there was a maker [suspected of?] copybotting.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, Curio weren't at any stage slated to be part of that event as they're not part of the Skin Addiction group.

Adora

"Hush/Vixen Skins", it said in the legal document that was up on the blog...

Oceane

Hair creator. And you don't have to be a very skilled graphic designer for that.

Sansarya

I'd not heard of Hush before this thread, either, and having seen so many photo comparisons between the two in this thread, I doubt I'll ever buy a Hush skin because all the photos have shown how poor the quality is next to the Curio skins (and I have well, probably thousands of Curio skins dating from early 2006 up to a couple weeks ago).

Ann Launay

That's not exactly what she said.

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KT Kingsley

Thanks for posting that, Anna. Contrary to first impressions, it seems there are some sane people involved in the skin trade.

pancake

Those are really valid and serious concerns on that notecard, concerns I'm sure other creators are sharing.

If a years long established SL creator of an instantly recognizable brand can have their content taken down like this, it could happen to anyone.

Parts of me needs to believe that LL acted because they were legally obligated to, and hopes that the courts had all the information and expertise needed to issue whatever they did that required LL to act in this way, but it all certainly looks strange from an admitedly outsiders perspective.

I really fear the ripple effect of this.

Any creator who has been on the fence wondering if it's worth continuing their business in the face of constant fear of content theft, now has the added fear of finding themselves on the receiving end of such accusations. It could be a deciding factor for some of them to just say screw it.

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KT Kingsley

If there's evidence to suggest that LL took down Curio content then I've missed it. If a Canadian court has ordered a Canadian business to take down its content from an American site, then I imagine that a sane Canadian would do so.

I'm not sure that a Canadian court has the power to rquire an American business – in this case Linden Lab – to do anything at all.

Having said that, my reference to the Canadian courts remains pure speculation. As has been pointed out before, the blog post around which this thread revolves "does not compute".

pancake

You are right. I mispoke and jumbled two sets of thoughts. My mistake.

I was referring to the Curio stores being empty and the marketplace items down. That could have been voluntary, or at least had no LL involvement.

Her temp ban was LL though.

Still all VERY frightening situation for other creators I'm sure and I do fear a ripple effect of this.

Circle Widdershins

I heard on Plurk that Gala is back already. Which sounds very promising

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Arica Storaro

She is back online indeed. Just replied to me.

Innula Zenovka

I'm sure it can't require LL to do anything, but, nevertheless, LL might well decide to comply with the terms of the order even though it doesn't have to.

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KT Kingsley

Entirely possible, I agree, though I'd be inclined to suggest LL would be setting themselves a dangerous precedent if they chose to start complying with court orders that have no jurisdiction over them (e.g. Supreme Court of Nigeria rules that LL should hand over $1,000,000,000 that rightfully belongs to a deposed and fugitive prince thereof).

If the Canadian shenanigans are at all real, it would surely hurt the plaintiff's case there were they not to issue a DMCA in the USA at the same time.

Io Zeno

Before Curio, Gala's skins were simply "Gala" and I wore them, six/seven years ago. She created a new line, Curio that has also been around for years now. I have to laugh when someone talked about her "bits" because it was always one of the things that set her skins apart, the realistic pubic hair and.... other lady parts.

Hand drawn, all of it and state of the art when I started wearing them six or seven years ago. Expensive. Worth it. If the Curio skins are "stolen" then the old Galas were too, unless she suddenly lost all of her artistic gifts and became a thief overnight. It is obvious that the skins are the same creator, ffs.

This is really infuriating, the idea that someone can steal your skins then accuse you of theft and shut you down. Especially such a well established creator, you know how few people last this long in SL creating anything?

Fuck this noise.

Innula Zenovka

My experience is more of the criminal than civil courts, but certainly in my experience US companies (and, indeed, law enforcement organisations) are frequently inclined to cooperate with orders and directions issued by English courts, even though they don't have to. Some of them an American court could be asked to enforce on behalf their English counterpart, but it usually doesn't come to that.

I don't, though, see how companies can really be setting themselves dangerous precedents by complying with some requests and not others -- I mean, they retain their discretion, and presumably LL are well capable of distinguishing between an interlocutory injunction issued by a Canadian court and a demand for money issued by a less reputable jurisdiction. What use should they fear the Supreme Court of Nigeria might make of this "dangerous precedent," even assuming that court was aware of it?

KT Kingsley

I don't really disagree with you, Innula. Mainly I seem to be stuck in a WTF loop as far as this whole business is concerned.

Andromeda Rage

I just tried to TP to the Curio sim, but still wasn't allowed. However, on the world map I see one person in that sim right now. (Gonna assume it's her.)

KT Kingsley

Actually, after a few minutes more thought, I can see a reason why LL might be wiser not to comply with such a court order: if they don't have to, but do so, thus damaging someone's business and income, then surely they make themselves liable for compensatory damages under US law. Particularly if said order is later rescinded.

Though, as I mentioned earlier, I wish to CMA all my arguments here with the caveat that the basis of this discussion is entirely within the realm of WTF and "this does not compute".

Charlotte Bartlett

Today I had a spare bit of time and I was keen to see the detail.

Based on Gwen saying she had seen the documents and the blog stating it had been granted (ignoring the confusion around the type of injunction).

I started to look at Canadian court records etc and as yet I cannot find a single one with the word Linden, Curio, Hush, Vixen, Skins, Gala, Phoenix, Second Life, SecondLife etc that is relevant in 2012. The last updates on most was within the last week - I checked:

Supreme Court of Canada - Decisions - which already somebody already said is not the court - Supreme Court of Canada (Supreme Court was referenced in Gwen's post and the Hush blog).

Federal Court - Decisions issued in January 2012
Federal Court since January 2012 - (I did weirdly find a law suit against Philip Linden many years back but not related ahah)

Then the BC Supreme Court
Supreme Court

Then all the other Courts all searched so what probably is described as supreme court in the actual blog - Superior Courts.
CanLII - Scope of CanLII's Databases

And then the provincial courts etc etc etc



Also I cross linked to registered copyrights in the US (none that I could establish under hush or vixen etc).

It was a slow day what can I say - I also searched for all interlocutory judgements that would reference R. J. R. Macdonald for the three prong test used and nothing in any court relating to any of these aspects that was relevant.

I ran out of time but that's as far as I got and most were updated within the last week. Not saying this means there isn't one, just I haven't yet found anything I could look at.

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