Ceka Cianci

ya i know and it's really still very quiet in there..

the group still never pops up..
when i log on in the morning i usually will go in there now and give them a good morning..

even with all this stuff going on the group is still pretty quiet..
they AR'd this guy and went back about their own business..
if the group was doing all this stuff these guys claim..that group would be popping and hopping and dancing with chat lol
when it's active it pops like the phoenix group..

Dogstar Kling

i have read it is green zone members attacking, the proof shows it, not any other group

i dont speak for voodoo but i wont get off your back
it is proved that green zone is out to cause other people grief if they dont do what you say

Dogstar Kling

your moderator came in here yesterday and posted the guys real life address. is that how privacy groups work? what a joke

Ceka Cianci

proof? what links to monkeys site?
pics where he plants bots? where there was a sploder and not a bot house?

you have no proof of anykind of green zone ever greifing anyone...
you can try to stay on my back all ya want..but you won't find a damn thing..you won't find it on the group either..
that is why it has to be made up..

you all are not the first and won't be the last to try to frame this group..
everything he is doing now has been tried before...
you all use the same pattern every time..
good luck with all that..

Imnotgoing Sideways

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Ceka Cianci

oh you mean that info that you can get anywhere on google that i have seen like 30 times in the past week just doing a monkey wonder search?
ya i'm sure that's his real information lol
the guys is into network security so he claims..do you really think he is that stupid?
anyone that has done a monkey search has seen it already..
i wonder how many names with IP's he has posted on his blog in that greenzone series he is doing..you did see those didn't you?
what a joke is right..

Dogstar Kling

the point is, a moderator of green zone, a privacy group, posted what they believed was his real home address on a public web forum

Memir Quinn

Dogstar, I'm earnestly curious, what sort of traction do you believe your carrying water for Monkey Wonder here on this forum is garnering for his stated goals? I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that you aren't in fact him, but even Lias seems to have eventually gotten that she was perpetuating negatives for Monkey rather than actually helping in in any fashion by her voluminous posting in this thread and has clearly throttled back significantly since the beginnings of this thread.


So, and be aware I've no horse in this beyond a mild passing interest in the apparent drama occurring on a platform I've not used for closer to a decade than not, whats the end game here for you? From what I can see you certainly aren't gaining any traction with most of the forum here, and what attention you are gaining is nearly universally negative, in short... no one save one or two trolls believe anything you are posting (and frankly I doubt they do either, its more a way to get up other poster's noses with shite stirring).


Whats the point?

Dogstar Kling

i stand up for what is right and gz is clearly not that. im not afraid of speaking against a few forum bullys who like to hide behind their keyboards like cowards and give other peoples real life info out, and then call themself a privacy group

if you dont believe that it is all in this thread

Elysium Hynes

He has a crush on Lias and it´s his way of courting.

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Joshua Nightshade

Oh, to be an alt. Sticking up for the main but never getting the respect or credit you deserve. Harrowing.

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Memir Quinn

I've read the thread, I'm neither convinced nor impressed by anything either Monkey or his proxies have posted in relation to his versions of events or any of his milk-toast justifications of his attempts to blackmail innocents.


Clearly your mileage varies, good luck with that.


I'm pretty sure you aren't going to be sated in the ending.



/shrug

Lyndka

But whoever it was that registered the domain with Nominet gave an address that they (the person registering not Nominet) allowed to be publicly available through WhoIs lookup's. It could be argued that they themselves allowed that information to become "public domain" and so freely available along with any other information that can be garnered with a cursory search using Google. That search might also reveal other information linked to that domain that is required to be published for the purpose of contacting a legal entity.

The argument so far 'per se' isn't about privacy but about one resident of SL libelling another SL resident (or a whole group) by calling them "griefers" on what appears to date to be sketchy evidence/proof. The various post's over the last few days have shown that one side of the argument seems to be unsure that their argument holds up under scrutiny or when exposed to the unyielding inspection by people who's interest has been pique'd by the whole thing.

It smacks of someone walking up to a guy in a pub and pushing him against the bar whilst uttering the words "Oi - you looking at my missus mate?" for the sake of having an argument. I understand Monkey feels aggrieved about something but I'm not sure that how he's carrying on is going to get him any "satisfaction" other than being able to say he's had an argument with someone.

If you still want to argue privacy - then have a look here

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Ceka Cianci

the point is a man that claims to be in the security business posted what he KNEW as someones name and IP on the intranets too..
he did it first to people in the group..
let a lone he created a tool that gives out personal information about the group members as well as lies about them to anyone that uses his product..REDZONE WHO??
sorry kind of hard to feel for him at this moment in time..he's no angel..

Dogstar Kling

so if someone else posts personal information, it is then ok for green zone, a group (apparently) only interested in protecting personal information to publish it in public web forums?

whenever your argument is weak you just turn the attention back to something monkey did

Ceka Cianci

no i am just pointing out that you seem to say you stand for something but totally ignore what your hero who claims to be in the same business does this as well and does more than once.. clinging like in a hurricane when he gets a little taste of his own medicine..

now lets see..how do you feel about him leaving that information up there while the info here is taken down?
it's not reposted..
and you can bet all of us here have seen it before it was posted here..yet the whole group is not running around with it on their signatures shouting it out..
yet his blog remains the same..filled with lies and attempts to frame us..
you call us griefers..
you are the ones that will have to prove that..we don't have to prove we are not..because it's been proven time and time again we are not..

so just saying you stand for something doesn't mean you really are if you are ignoring all the things that go on right under your own ground you chose..that's pride..that's not standing for something..

myself like i have said before..i would rather see monkey pulled from the hud if his things are not deserving of being on there..but just his anti-bot giving out personal information and lies about us is deserving enough..because that is what redzone did..

you can guess till the cows come home or believe in him if you like..
that's all your rights to do..
but just because someone knows better and speaks their mind when there is not a shred of proof anywhere but hearsay..doesn't mean you are being bullied when they stand their ground..
he woke us up when he was left alone..we didn't go waking him up..
the group is still as inactive as it was before he woke us all up..
i just went in there to see if i could wake them up..bleh ..they are all off doing other things..

and when they do ever talk in there..his name never even comes up..
so they are not stirred..

also my argument hasn't been weak..it's been on topic..your attempt to try to make it sound weak is what is weak..truth on my side makes it as solid as titanium..
you're just waving feathers guessing the whole way..that or trying to rattle something that just can't be rattled..

stand for something or you'll fall for anything..

love that video!! hehehehe

bladyblue

Greenzone contacted monkey about his products in 2011. Not the other way around.

That's what he just said in his blog. Remove his name from your blacklist HUD and your statement will be believable.

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Ceka Cianci

oh really?
still can't hear you hehehehe

Kara Spengler

Please show us this 'proof' you talk of.

No, ascii data (chat logs and such) is not proof. For one most of the data is not incriminating. How is anyone to know any given text has not been altered even if it were?

While pictures can be doctored they raise the standard of proving something. People can pull out the subtlest details to demonstrate if the picture was doctored. Of course not finding things like that does not automatically translate to 'this is correct' but it does lend more legitimacy to it than a random piece of abstracted text.

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Kara Spengler

You mean like the vast majority of the posters in this thread? If you are saying one thing and the vast majority something else you might want to double-check your figures before saying they are the absolute truth. The minority might be right in a given case but it is incumbent on them to make a much more persuasive argument than just slinging mud.

Kara Spengler

Would you feel better if they posted the url to a whois record (like secondlife.com Whois Lookup & IP | Whois.net ) to pull up the record of his site? Please justify your answer either way.

Ailsa Muliaina

Tell you what Monkey...sorry Dogstar... if you believe there is enough proof of griefing, you go send some ARs in. Then see how many stick. Pointing the finger repeatedly isn't really working though, is it? At most a few people are mildly pissed off. That's it. More are just laughing at this point.

BTW, when someone lists their name as Monkey Wonder on a domain registration, why would they then write their actual address below it? That kinda defeats the purpose of hiding behind the fake name It would work better to use a fake address and a real name rather than the other way round Having someone's name, especially if it's a common one is far less dangerous than having their address.

Everyone I know, even the web newbies, know they can lookup details about offensive looking websites and report them to ISPs/hosts etc. WHOIS info is no more private than having your address plastered over the bottom of your website nowadays. When I signed up for my domain it was very clear that the info was public and clear how to hide it. So I would be amazed if anyone was stupid enough to send out blackmail notes, list folks on a site and not expect people to look him up and send abuse reports to his hosts or any other relevant officials.

And honestly, forum bullies? For someone who claims he isn't Monkey, you certainly share his ability to make mountains out of molehills. I hope you never meet a real bully to learn how silly that accusation really is.

Victor1st

...who the fuck are you? Bladys toy boy?

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Victor1st

ahhhhhhhhhhh I get it, your not bladys toy boy, your just another lobotomized troll who tars everyone with the same brush.

Dogstar Kling

let me spell it out GREEN ZONE IS A PRIVACY GROUP
privacy groups don't publish real life personal information on web forums
you are not acting like a group concerned for privacy because you have published that information

where you found the guys home address, and whatever he has posted is irrelevant

i'm someone who can form a sentence without swearing, do you swear at your visitors from the destination guide too? i'm sure your place is really popular