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Old 04-17-2012, 08:45 AM   #51 (permalink)
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They may not mean to be a vigilante group. But any Second Life group that tells people not to purchase certain products is defaming and purposely undermining a merchant in Second Life. It's against the TOS. We can blog about SL merchants and say what we like about them on third party forums, but we aren't really allowed to use a SL group to defame any SL person. No matter what their crime is.
you can chat about any product you want..
a product is not a person or merchant..the group is called greenzone..not "we hate voodoo sploaders don't buy them"..
and defimation is basically about things that are not true..
noboday has ever said it can detect alts..all that is said is how it works when someone asks..if someone strays from the truth..someone usually steps in to correct them..you can give out information about products and also opinions..
buying it usually never comes up..it's using it is where we say what it does..
if we were saying look out it will find out all your alts..we would be lying because we don't know..
if we say it gets your IP and stores it on a database or links you to a web site..we are being informative..
i have never seen anyone lie when it comes to explaining how it works ..
mayeb they had thought they knew how..but they were corrected each time..
so really no defimation going on..GZ has always tried it's best to keep it truthful...
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if anyone his defaming people is this dude, he´s have his sploder or whatever it is call people griefers just because they are in the GZ group in local chat, that´s how people found out about him to start with.
we have been called griefers since RZ..
they called us griefers..JLU called us griefers and now voodoo is calling us griefers..
that'swhat griefers do..they try to pass the buck lol
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we have been called griefers since RZ..
they called us griefers..JLU called us griefers and now voodoo is calling us griefers..
that'swhat griefers do..they try to pass the buck lol
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so really no defimation going on..GZ has always tried it's best to keep it truthful...
He says GZ seemed like an abandoned group with no leader. Perhaps he couldn't find anyone in the GZ group that took responsibility for the group's actions. Instead of continuing the public war with him, some people from GZ should contact him and discuss what the problems are.

I think that course of action adheres more closely with a community groups that helps as opposed to a group that long-time merchants feel the need to put every member on a ban list.
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if anyone his defaming people is this dude, he´s have his sploder or whatever it is call people griefers just because they are in the GZ group in local chat, that´s how people found out about him to start with.
Why would this guy, who has been quietly plodding along in SL for years, wake up one day and decide to obtain the entire membership list of the GZ group and ban them?
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It seems like while you were away, monkey had a rude introduction to the Greenzone group.
well not everyone in the group is there to help with educating..a lot come there for it..and a lot of panic goes on..the core members usually take control and look at things with a wider view..

myself i asked monkey a few questions that were legit questions onyl for information..and i never got an answer from him..
basically..if me and my husband wanted to play one of his sploaders at a club where they had it..would we both be able to play it..or would one of us only be able to and the other called a bot ?

i really was asking for real because my husband now has an account and i didn't know how it worked yet..
but i know how RZ did ..and if me and him were on the same IP and got on there..i wanted to know..were we going to be named and shamed right there in a club when we are a legit two avatars..
i asked more than 5 times and never got a response..

then a couple days later someone said this thing kicked them and called them a bot..so some of us tp'd there to see if it would do it to us as well..because it also told them they were a gz member..

i just wanted to see if it had me on it's list..and it did..lol
i didn't AR it or anything..just curious if it would kick me..

i ask straight forward questions that any person walking into a club would want to know..
i mean who wants to go to a club and get kicked because they are on a list and their avatar name matches up with an IP from a different club because they got on a sploader and were called a bot with their husband..and also put into a bot system that works in stores..

a lot of the core group tried to keep the peace in there..even in the RZ days when someone that used RZ and was coming in to find out what the big deal was..regular members would jump on them like it was open season..the core members would calm them down and try to have a decent conversation..when that happened ..most of those RZ users ended up dumping their RZ..

you don't get answers with noise..you get nowhere..so i'm sure he had a rude welcome..bu i'm sure at some point the core group stepped in also..
because when i got back it was not all up in the air and crazy..
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Dear members of the GZ group!

Recently I have revisited the Voodoo products, and to my positive surprise I noticed that Monkey Wonder has in fact adapted many privacy features and thereby relieved a lot of the concerns regarding privacy that were the reasons for this group to fight against the products.

Therefor, I personally contacted Monkey Wonder and we agreed that I should give him a list of the remaining few items that we think were still in violation of privacy. Were those addressed, we would be happy to clear Voodoo products from our "Bad" list. Our talk ended cordially in a truce.

HOWEVER!

Only a week after this talk, before I was finished compiling this list, members of the Greenzone group are receiving a blackmail: "leave GZ group within 12 hours or you, your items, and your creations will be blacklisted"

I personally feel betrayed! We as the GZ group have pride!

And we will not bow to blackmail!

The GZ group is no griefer group! Therefor, I would like to suggest that everyone of you who is subject to the blackmail of Monkey Wonder, AR him, and whoever is subject to his announced griefing in local chat, AR the person owning the offending device.

Monkey Wonder, consider our talks cancelled. You have shown that you are no man of honour, but instead a blackmailing criminal.

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He says GZ seemed like an abandoned group with no leader. Perhaps he couldn't find anyone in the GZ group that took responsibility for the group's actions. Instead of continuing the public war with him, some people from GZ should contact him and discuss what the problems are.
Fuck off.

What the hell is it with you and these threads. Vested interest?
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Why would this guy, who has been quietly plodding along in SL for years, wake up one day and decide to obtain the entire membership list of the GZ group and ban them?
he´s been doing this since the whole rz thing he was collecting ip´s without permition tru media just like zfire he aparently stoped soing it after the TOS changes, but has blamed the GZ group for it.
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Fuck off.

What the hell is it with you and these threads. Vested interest?
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He says GZ seemed like an abandoned group with no leader. Perhaps he couldn't find anyone in the GZ group that took responsibility for the group's actions. Instead of continuing the public war with him, some people from GZ should contact him and discuss what the problems are.

I think that course of action adheres more closely with a community groups that helps as opposed to a group that long-time merchants feel the need to put every member on a ban list.
the group was dead quiet..one of the leaders is the one that gave that notice to the group yesterday about the talks they were having with monkey..so if it was abandon and monkey was just taling with one last week..
then chances are he is mistaken..
the fact is the group hasn't been active..
he is just wanting to play.. lol

ETA:and not sure if you noticed..but long time merchants don't put the whole group on ban lists..
it's those like Zfire and Monkey and JLU that do that sort of thing..
if you mean those type of long time merchants then ya..
who cares lol

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What the hell is it with you and these threads. Vested interest?
You fuck off. I'll discuss any subject as I like.
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Resident CBA2READIWILLJUSTMAKEUPMYOWNBS contrarian more like it.

Well, at least this time the thread isn't over.
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the group was dead quiet..one of the leaders is the one that gave that notice to the group yesterday about the talks they were having with monkey..so if it was abandon and monkey was just taling with one last week..
then chances are he is mistaken..
the fact is the group hasn't been active..
he is just wanting to play.. lol
I very much doubt monkey got so bored living his SL life and maintaining his business over the years that he randomly decided to start a war with the Greenzone group. Since GZ does nothing for him but cause him grief, GZ is probably considered a griefer group to him.

I'm glad someone from GZ is attempting to talk to him after a year of this little war going on. Perhaps there can be a happy ending.
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Projection.

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I very much doubt monkey got so bored living his SL life and maintaining his business over the years that he randomly decided to start a war with the Greenzone group. Since GZ does nothing for him but cause him grief, GZ is probably considered a griefer group to him.

I'm glad someone from GZ is attempting to talk to him after a year of this little war going on. Perhaps there can be a happy ending.
/me griefs Voodoo long time.
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I very much doubt monkey got so bored living his SL life and maintaining his business over the years that he randomly decided to start a war with the Greenzone group. Since GZ does nothing for him but cause him grief, GZ is probably considered a griefer group to him.

I'm glad someone from GZ is attempting to talk to him after a year of this little war going on. Perhaps there can be a happy ending.
you can doubt all you want..i'm just saying what has not happend in the group..what goes on outside of it i don't know..but as far as the group goes..it hasn't been active..
unless you know better then keep on imagining what you feel..

until yesterday i had all but forgotten about monkey and GZ because it has been so quiet in that group..i was enjoyng thinking about my new mesh cave and tunnle stuffs and getting ready to click edit terrain when i got this really funny notice out of the blue lol...

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As far as I know, Green Zone was created for people to educate each other about Red Zone. Since the hammer came down on RZ, GZ has continued to educate others regarding services which improperly invade residents' privacy and disrupt everyday peoples' access to stores and other sites. (^_^)

It's like the "Dealing With Griefers" class a friend of mine teaches. Basically, there's someone clearly attacking general SL users and likely violating the TOS in the process. The people of GZ have a hub of discussion they can go to in order to help each other deal with such turds. (^_^)y
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... But any Second Life group that tells people not to purchase certain products is defaming and purposely undermining a merchant in Second Life. It's against the TOS. ...
You do realize this is exactly what Monkey threatened in his notecard right?
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Well, at least this time the thread isn't over.
I've long since realised that the show isn't over until Lias turns up and denounces the outcome as a travesty of natural justice.
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The GZ has been so quiet even i left it cause i needed room for shop groups.
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The GZ has been so quiet even i left it cause i needed room for shop groups.
i just kept in there incase something new came up..but it's been so quiet that i forgot i was in it lol

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