Mr. B

It was you I think who was claiming that it was his 'practices' being attacked by gz and not 'him' - so if you now don't understand your own illogical cover story - welcome to the club.

If his products were (or are) in violation of the cs - AR it. You say gz adds such products to a blacklist and then blackmails (sorry *coughs* "negotiates" with) the maker to take them off? And that makes it OK?

Elysium Hynes

I´ve recieved coppyboted items from being in groups such as:

50L Friday
Builder´s Brewery
Twisted Thorn Textures
Phoenix Viewer

I´ve seen Pishing scams in let me see a lot more groups like half of the ones i am in atm, for the past month.

Do i blame the group owners of the merchants cause some ass, sent me coppybotted stuff or pisshing scams? No not really.

Have i ever seen GZ menbers do any griefing or support such? no not at all, I´ve seen a lot of screams of people coming in panic into the group saying some slploder is calling me a griefer in open chat, what should i do? Someone came into my land and said they knew all my alts, what should i do? And the answer was always does it violate TOS? if so you should probably ar it, or what the person said is not possible, something of the sort, i´m still trying to wrap my head around that this is somehow policing tbh. Most weird even when the group chat was so dead for months that i even left it to make room for another shopping group, who has linked me to pishing scams at least 4 times, which wasn´t actually done by the group but some scammer who was banned and came back in diferent accounts.

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bladyblue

His reason wasn't the GZ HUD. It was the Greenzone griefers.

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Elysium Hynes

And who are they and where is the proof of what they did Lias? I´m still waiting for it.

Mr. B

OK. I believe you.
Now as a new gz member who gets that spam - why would I care?
Any group notices on the subject?
Any group chats on the subject matter?
Or - is it just - mindless spam?

I actually imagine that gz members are well aware of why they get the message.
It seems clear gz claims to maintain a blacklist and it seems gz says they "negotiate" with residents to take them off the list if they comply with gz's demands.

I can certainly imagine that gz "members" have attempted to "educate" voodoo clients on the evils of voodoo.

I also imagine that the hearts of many (if not most) in gz are in the 'right place' but it seems gz might reconsider it's purpose & approach if it wants to claim the high ground.

Elysium Hynes

Everytime you use quotes man i picture you doing them with your hands and also god kills a kitten.

Casey Pelous

1) Voodoo Bot does precisely the sort of thing the Greenzone HUD claims to help defend against.

2) I have done exactly none of the things Voodoo Bot says I have done.

3) Discussion of a practice already in place != Blackmail.

I think you could take things from there - not that you will, but you could.

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bladyblue

Once someone at Greenzone seriously contacts monkey and looks into the matter, I am sure we will see the proof.

Elysium Hynes

Once you seriously contact me about your stealing and murdering ways and i look into the matter, I am sure we will see the proof.

(see i can play the make believe game too)

Mr. B

I can and will, thank you.


If voodoo did (or does) specifically reveal alts inworld then it would seem to violate the tos - AR it and and LL will deal with it. I imagine voodoo did not and that is why LL has not booted it (although we know LL can take a while to act). LL and LL alone gets to decide what violates the TOS. gz does not get to be the judge, jury and executioner (at least not in a sane world - or one owned by LL so far).

What exactly are the things voodoo bot (since the update) says you have done? I thought it reports gz members as being members the gz griefer group? Are you a member of gz?

Certainly even if some in gz are among the worst griefers SL has known doesn't mean all are - and I have already stated I think the voodoo maker may have over-reacted.

"Discussion" of a practice is indeed not blackmail - however gz says they do not just chat about concepts and practices - they say they blacklist devices and then negotiate with the maker to get them off the list.

I do not think it a great leap to call what gz has admitted to doing as "blackmail" (air finger quotes for elysium).

Elysium Hynes

Think of the kittens dude.

bladyblue

That's what the make-believe grid police do - play make-believe games.

Lucifer Baphomet

This is probably the best publicity Voodoo Monkey ever got.

He's gone from a name no one knew, who sold crappy shit to a handful of crappy blingtard clubs, to a name spread via forums, plurk, twitter, and possibly smoke signals.

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Casey Pelous

You betcha! Check the list! Then be afraid, be very afraid.

"Stop doing what you are presently doing and we'll stop (perfectly legally) saying you're doing it" isn't blackmail.

Leaps is leaps.

bladyblue

yes it is. You just defined blackmail.

Imnotgoing Sideways

The term Blackmail is being grossly misused by its very mention in this thread. The key to a case of blackmail is that the offender is withholding information with threat of publicizing it if demands aren't met.

So far, what GZ and Monkey are doing are pretty much on the table. What each says the other is doing is no better than he-said-she-said.

If Monkey is being griefed, my only suggestion is that he describes the griefing in believable terms. So far I've only seen him post in falsehoods and fantasies along side fatal misuses of technological buzzwords.

For GZ, of which I will remain a member, I can only repeat what I've already said in inworld group chat:

[2012/04/28 18:44] Immy (imnotgoing.sideways): Just be good, helpful, and keep the group educational. Let him dig his own grave. (^_^)

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Sugar

As a long time GZ member and certianly not the first to post these facts.

Fact
1) In GZ chat no one condones griefing.
2)When members do have questions about products in SL we try to give them imformed information. ((AKA this product collects IP adresses,) AKA this product has a grid wide banning system that can be abused.) see this thread for fact of the second part.
3)The Greenzone hud does not suggest boycotting of any merchant or product. It only warns the wearer of products that meet the above two instances. Each wearer is expected to make up their own mind about weather to do buisness with them.

The reason Monkey does not like GZ is becouse, he doesnt like that people are informed that they may have their ip collected and be mass banded for no reason.

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Kara Spengler

What dictionary are you using?

From Blackmail | Define Blackmail at Dictionary.com ...

None would seem to apply. From context you are probably talking about #5 since nobody is trying to get money from the other and odds are Monkey is not in Scotland trying to protect a village.

Someone saying "this does X" when it DOES do X is just stating a fact. Saying if the thing stops doing X you will stop saying it does X is, well, logic. Maybe the 'L' words and the 'B' words in your dictionary just got jumbled up?

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Cristiano

You have a very dim understanding of blackmail, apparently.

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bladyblue

Obviously.

bladyblue

extortion may be more accurate.

Cristiano

Extortion and blackmail are synonyms.

bladyblue

if that were the case, why did Unya praise him for changing his product to meet some Greenzone standards?

KT Kingsley

Exhortation, maybe?

bladyblue

"if" you do this, we will stop doing this."

Extortion