Elysium Hynes

Skining to what level? Did Lias share with you any non existing proof of harassment to the Monkey dude? Would you please share with us.

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When he complained of GZ griefers, he was dismissed.

When I went to the Second Life Better Business Bureau to complain they were attacking a friend's business without merit, they 'suggested' she pay the membership fee and the complaint would go away. When a group is corrupt at the core and cant be reasoned with, they have no real reason to continue to exist. And that's why people called for the dissolution of the SLBBB.

just do a search for any post Unya made this month.

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Elysium Hynes

See you say something and they say another totally diferent thing that has nothing to do with the case? Explain to me how do you control the menbership of a group that is open enrollemnt?, And now explain to me how what Unya said here over the past months is proof monkey was griefed at all? Do you even read what you type or do you just post random words?

Show me please where is the proof of what monkey says happend please.

Errafel Eccleston

"All over his blog"

Ailsa Muliaina

If Monkey had been subject to all the nasty griefing and DDoS attacks that he claims, not only would he have easily gotten the offenders banned by LL, he'd have been down the police station and they'd be hunting the offenders down. They take internet crime very seriously these days.

But here we are.... expected to believe that he suffered all these terrible griefing and DDoS attacks when he hasn't ONCE mentioned the name of a SINGLE griefer. When nobody appears to have the name(s) of the griefer(s) or has even heard who these individuals may be. That's rather strange. If these are real griefers that are capable of DDoS attacks and such, you'd want to warn people about them. Not make a huge list of people who didn't attack you and distribute that instead. You wouldn't waste anyone's time with false names, you'd name and shame the actual people who caused you harm. This GZ list just obscures any real griefers in a huge mass of non griefers. It's pointless. Any big business owner will look over the list, recognise good folks in it and realise it's a waste of their time. It's of no use and it's harming Monkey's business to have such a glaringly silly list.

If you're the victim of genuine grief, you don't add to your problems by blackmailing/listing people who aren't directly involved. That's just stirring up more trouble when you least need it. It gives people cause to call you the griefer rather than sympathise with your plight.

Monkey isn't behaving like someone who wants to end this problem peacefully - blackmail isn't a very good tactic for initiating a truce Listing people who aren't griefers is worse, and all he's done since is waste his own time messing up his own products. Nobody needs to grief this one, he's quite capable of screwing himself over.

Errafel Eccleston

Now see, if I were in his position, and even half this crap is true, I would have specifically called out those bothering me, putting it on the rest of the group to deal with those involved by framing them as provocateurs.

Jolene Benoir

Shrinking to the level of counting those that defend him as nothing but his alts.

Griefing him because I might be pissed off at his tactics.

He posted that he has been griefed (open to proof).

GV has posted that he has been griefing them. (Again open to proof)

Niether side seems willing to give up, and are loving pulling in unrelated people to fight their fight.

It's become this big war, that even, people who have nothing to do with it, are joining in, because *privacy* gotta fight invasion of it!

And others, who feel that privacy doesn't trump griefing.

It's a *Who can piss further* thing now.

How about nobody concern themselves with trying to find out who is who's alt in SL. I know, major jump.

I DO hold those who consider themselves caretakers of the grid and who create lists of people, more at fault, but that doesn't negate individual people who make it their business to grief. It adds up.

Jolene Benoir

In the end, it's SL drama, which I can easily shut off.

RL has enough drama. I don't see a need to recreate it within SL.

Mr. B

"Dear members of the GZ group!

Recently I have revisited the Voodoo products, and to my positive surprise I noticed that Monkey Wonder has in fact adapted many privacy features and thereby relieved a lot of the concerns regarding privacy that were the reasons for this group to fight against the products.

Therefor, I personally contacted Monkey Wonder and we agreed that I should give him a list of the remaining few items that we think were still in violation of privacy. Were those addressed, we would be happy to clear Voodoo products from our "Bad" list. Our talk ended cordially in a truce.

HOWEVER!

Only a week after this talk, before I was finished compiling this list, members of the Greenzone group are receiving a blackmail: "leave GZ group within 12 hours or you, your items, and your creations will be blacklisted"

I personally feel betrayed! We as the GZ group have pride!

And we will not bow to blackmail!

The GZ group is no griefer group! Therefor, I would like to suggest that everyone of you who is subject to the blackmail of Monkey Wonder, AR him, and whoever is subject to his announced griefing in local chat, AR the person owning the offending device.

Monkey Wonder, consider our talks cancelled. You have shown that you are no man of honour, but instead a blackmailing criminal.

For GZ,

Unya Tigerfish " (emphasis added)

So GZ decided they do not like a product and contacted the creator to "negotiate" with him after fighting against his products.

GZ demands he make changes 'or else'.
GZ demands he make more changes 'or else'.

Who the fuck exactly does GZ think it is to negotiate with regard to anyone's product within SL? And to threaten them if they don't comply with GZ's demands? Authorized by LL to do so I imagine? Not.

GZ blackmails the maker to make changes and then when he has had enough of the bullshit and "fights back" calling GZ out for it plainly has become - GZ comes to SLU sobbing crocodile tears about how they have been wronged and are being blackmailed.

Elysium Hynes

Honestly i think you moved to planet Lias where logic is equal to the gravity on the moon.
Only one person here said Lias was his alt, yet you talk like not only everyone on this thread, has been doing it for pages and pages, I know Lias is not his alt she just does this bs for trolling.

Monkey posted he was griefied, DDOSed and sent blackmail notes to hundrds of people while also started a post with a list of names saying thes are griefers and they have 12 hours to leave the group or their bussiness will suffer, yet he has showed no proof at that he was even griefed, or by whom, yet any claims GZ members said where clearly dismessed has foolish small time griefing on group chat, and treated as such.

No one here is outing alts except Lias, and sheīs doing it with her own forum alts, like she has for ages.
I donīt see any big war tbh, i see a douche making up lies and as usual the only person defending him is Lias for the lulz and the douche for attention, this is pretty much meh as far as wars go.

Iīm still waiting on proof monkey was griefed at all, since you claijm that happened, you Lias and him can please provide it?

Elysium Hynes

So do you even know what GZ does? Or what the product Vodoo is selling does? Have you ever heard of JLU? fi it wasnīt for groups like GZ zfire would not have been even known the TOS changed and the media security hole found.

Errafel Eccleston

Ah, Mr.B!
You're just in time!

Kara Spengler

Funny, I never remember a poll or saw a notice about it.

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Jolene Benoir

Why would I respond to your post, when I feel it lacks inherent respectability?

You clearly have NOT seen me and Lias go at it like wet cats.

Lias outed her OWN alt. It's not for you or me or anyone else to claim she is Monkey or other alts.

Fuck.

That is what this whole fight is about. NOT making alts of people.

What part of (proof needed) did you not read, in regards to claims by both sides?

Kara Spengler

FIFY

Beezle Warburton

Now the fun can truly begin.

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Elysium Hynes

Then talk to the people who out alts, i+m certainly not and by saying Folkīs stop doing this either name people or youīre just as foolish as monkey for putting every single member of a group in a list. This is not about outing alts but seems itīs all you see. Itīs again about silly people trying to con others out of money with ridiculous and stalkerish products, and making lists of shame cause they lack attention in rl, and for Lias itīs just for kicks (cause thatīs what she enjoys i guess).


Again i ask you where is this proof monkey has of griefing? Have you seen it? I havenīt.

ETA: I love how you make a post by starting with why should i respond you really?

Jolene Benoir

You SERIOUSlLY need to re-read my posts on this subject.

Really, do it.

I'm over and out, because this is just SL drama to me.

Enjoy.

Elysium Hynes

Jolene Benoir

Yes, you accused me of somehow having conversations with Lias about this.

I assure you that has NOT happened.

Rude, Rude and Rude.

As I said, not worth it. Sl drama.

Elysium Hynes

Quote please. Oh i forgot you where out.

Beezle Warburton

I thought she was "over and out."

And if it's soooooo "not worth it," then why not just ignore the thread and move on?

Apparently it's worth it enough to keep commenting on...

Elysium Hynes

Opps sorry Beezle, i was on a roll.. of erm eyes.

Kara Spengler

*groan*

GZ is against *practices*. It was contacting the creator of a device that utilised those practices and there were positive discussions about de-listing the *product*. Monkey then decided to attack the *individuals* solely because they were members of that group.

You do see the difference do you not?

On one side there is a question of what something does, and in particular a certain object that uses that method.

On the other there are people. People whose sole 'crime' is being a member of a group.

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