Errafel Eccleston

The joke is that I've given you as much information as monkey's logs would provide him.

And no, the IP belongs to a new set of sims now, you won't find it easily.

Assuming you DO have access to up-to-date sim:ip lists, and wander into the correct one, you then have the task of determining which of thousands of objects just might be running httprequests.

If you can't, monkey can't.

Was there a D/DoS on his servers? Maybe. Did the magically trace it to inworld objects? yeahno.

Kara Spengler

Umm, so is it me or should the notecard with the threats MAYBE have had more relevance just being sent to them then? Not saying the threats to them would have been right but it would have been better than spamming a lot of people who were clueless about what was going on.

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Kara Spengler

Hell, there are a LOT of open enrolment groups out there. Are they all griefer groups? If not, what about if one griefer joins it? Or is it more than 1, but where is the numerical threshold?

Note that group owner can say all they want that griefers are not welcome in the group. GROUPS IN SL DO NOT HAVE BAN CAPABILITIES. All you can do is kick them out and that will keep them out for about 2 seconds.

Kara Spengler

Tell you what, if you feel so strongly about it create a JIRA about groups and get people to vote for it. Oh, and good luck with getting LL to do anything.

Of course, even if they do griefers will just roll some alts and continue as before.

Tyche Shepherd

Httprequest in SL passes the region name,object name and key & owner name and key along with the actual location of the object in the region in the headers. It's not just IP address .

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Errafel Eccleston

Mmm. So it does.
Which makes actually proving it with logs+screenshits quite easy and reasonable.

Ceka Cianci

don't be too hard on lias..
she is still upset about that whole Titanic sim GZ dove of peace incident that happened awhile back..



PS.give us back our dove!!! \o/

Jolene Benoir

Why is Lias being called Monkey here, in quotes, and that she IS Monkey's alt?

I highly doubt that to be the case, and it seems extremely rude to me.

C'mon folks. Disagree with her, but I don't see the need to be accusing people of being alts. She outed her alt here. It's really unlikely that she would then hide behind another.

After all, isn't the point, to NOT be calling people alts based on insufficient information?

bladyblue

They are hiding behind the others in the Greenzone group. And the group is allowing it.

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bladyblue

If their members grief and the core people won't do anything about it - then that's a griefer group.

but no one in Greenzone has even done that.

pancake

Your argument is so strange to me.

It would be like saying that just because SLU has a few resident trolls that we're all trolls and condone it.

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bladyblue

(leaving that one alone)

Elysium Hynes

I think only one person is doing that and i hadnīt even noticed until you pointed it out, tbh. As for the point here i donīt think itīs alts at all just some douchecanoe blackmailing people and being silly for need of attention.

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I guess trolls are condoned here, I mean... blady is right there so that's proof enough.

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bladyblue

"stop bothering me or else" is not blackmail.

Elysium Hynes

Oh Lias please donīt, comment on how Cris allows griefers and you are also one.

bladyblue

rude-little-picture gurl has spoken.

Elysium Hynes

if only that was true but thatīs not what he says is it? He doesnīt say stop bothering me now does he?

"Dear Greenzone griefing group member,... The next version of these HUDs, to be released imminently, will announce any nearby Greenzone griefers in local chat by name, along with any land owned by these griefers and any objects created by them. We believe your creations and land are not safe as you are a member of a group well known for griefing. We do however understand that there is a minority of legitimate business owners currently in the griefing group, who joined long before Greenzone was hijacked by trouble makers. Due to this, we are allowing 12 hours for you to leave the group and avoid any damage to your business."

That is and ultimatum, not a request.

Eris

It's also not what Monkey is doing. If the griefing claims are true, it should be a simple matter to have the griefers banned. I'm certain LL would not see the humor in their servers being used for DoS attacks. But Monkey is trying to ruin the Green Zone group instead. Why would that be?

Jolene Benoir

The point of GZ, which I support, is to protect SL users from privacy invasions.

I support that, strongly.

I was a member, but had to make room.

I just don't see the point of sinking to the same level, in order to combat it.

IF I was still a member, by virtue of having enough groups, I would be pissed that I had been labeled a griefer by my membership in that group.

I'm a law abiding citizen, for the most part.within RL and SL, .forget that weed thing , and I would be angry that someone thought me a griefer because of membership within a group.

I wouldn't see that as a reason to grief them forevermore, but I would avoid them forevermore.

Romana

I just carefully re-read the OP, and I'm sorry, blady, but I don't see "stop bothering me or else".
From where I sit, it doesn't appear that he cares whether the people he brands "griefers" have actually griefed him or not before he names and shames.
I don't believe in guilt by association, and by the way, which of the GZ members are the "known griefers", and known to who, on what evidence?
I am not a member of GZ. Most of the people on that list, and in this forum, I have not even met in-world. I have no personal stake in this, save that one of the names on the list is one of the first people I met in SL, and I simply can't picture him as a griefer.
If he's provided evidence of griefing by any individuals on that list, I've missed it; please post the link.

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bladyblue

"leave me alone or else" is always a final ultimatum. If Greenzone used more merchant-friendly tactics, it wouldn't come to this. GZ is the initial aggressor in this scenario.

Elysium Hynes

"Due to this, we are allowing 12 hours for you to leave the group and avoid any damage to your business."

Fine now where does it say leave me alone Lias? only i your head. THere is no agression without prove of one, please show me some.

bladyblue

What grid are you on?

monkey is not trying to ruin the GZ group. It's already ruined. If the core people have no positive control over its member base, the group cannot meet its goals. As is evident by this clusterfuck flametardfest initiated by GZ members.

Darnk Yun